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To: Joshua
The brothers and sisters you are referring too were cousins, since there was no word for cousin. For 1500 years (or more) no one (but heretics) believed what you believe about Jesus and Mary, not even Luther.

Its fun to go back in history and read these same arguments, Justin Martyr refuted the same ones, I believe back in the 300's.

269 posted on 12/13/2001 2:25:58 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch
"The brothers and sisters you are referring too were cousins, since there was no word for cousin. For 1500 years (or more) no one (but heretics) believed what you believe about Jesus and Mary, not even Luther. "

Really? Let me give you 2 places from 2 different translations where this heretric belief shows up

Col 4:10 10 My fellow prisoner Aristarchus sends you his greetings, as does Mark, the cousin of Barnabas. (You have received instructions about him; if he comes to you, welcome him.) (NIV)

Luke 1:36 36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. (KJV)

I'm sure your use of the word "heretic" is the Catholic meaning:anyone who doesn't follow the heresies of catholiism.

", not even Luther. "

Catholics always try to refute us with Luther. Luther was a Catholic who tried to reform the Catholic church. He believed in many of the churches false teachings. It is true that we have many of the same beliefs as Luther but to try to refute our teachings with those of Luther are absurd.
fundies and Luther are miles apart on many doctrinal matters.
You have to remember Luther was a Catholic for a long time God obviously didn't have time to beat all the catholicism out of him....;)

272 posted on 12/13/2001 3:22:23 PM PST by Joshua
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Sorry about mentioning Wheaties... I love your cereal too......
273 posted on 12/13/2001 3:38:38 PM PST by Joshua
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