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RED AND BLUE RECONSIDERED (Johnny Walker a "Right Wing Zealot??")
"The Daily Dish" ^ | 11 December 01 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 12/11/2001 4:29:09 PM PST by MoJo2001

One email has really got me thinking. The best point of those who disagree with my earlier post on Walker/Spann is that Walker wasn't/isn't really a lefty. He's actually a right-wing religious zealot. Here's the case: "Maybe I missed something, but I am not sure how a religious fundamentalist and zealot like John Walker is an embodiment of the American Hating Left. He is a right wing religious nut just like the guy arrested here in Cincinnati last week for sending fake anthrax to abortion clinics. While you may be correct that his permissive parents and his multicultural context may have produced him (sounds like something some right wing nut case would say about homosexuality, right Andrew?), what it produced was a right wing Islamic religious nut who hates the West and America for its decadence (which he enjoyed and benefited from) and sin, just like his brothers on the right wing Christian extreme (like maybe Tim McVeigh, who was a Catholic to boot?). Let's at least be honest that Walker represents some of the worst of American permissiveness and multiculturalism, while being the embodiment of right wing religious fanaticism. I think we all get caught on this one." This strikes me as pretty smart. What it misses, though, is that Walker actually rebelled against Catholicism for being too strict when he was younger. I think he was attracted to Islam as much by its exoticism as by its strictures. I think we have a classic case of being brought up with really permissive parents in a really permissive culture. You want to rebel, but your authority figures approve of 'rebellion' so you have to find some sort of anti-liberal rebellion. Islam fits the bill perfectly. Hip-hop was a mite too predictable and you can imagine his parents almost approving. The extremism with which he pursued his rebellion is probably inexplicable out of psychoanalysis. But the link between his chosen lifestyle and the culture in which he was born is still valid, I think. - 12/11/2001 07:25:31 PM


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To: Dan from Michigan
Right on.
41 posted on 12/12/2001 5:26:29 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
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To: Kryptonite
Concur. Hitler wasn't Christian, Protestant or Catholic. He was just a heterophobic, anti-semitic monster.
42 posted on 12/12/2001 5:28:09 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
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To: Dr. Frank
Very well articulated, sir. Feel send a PING my way from future threads you're on.
43 posted on 12/12/2001 5:29:49 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
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To: Dr. Frank
Hilarious!
44 posted on 12/12/2001 5:29:55 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: ahmedtousay1
The United States of America was built on the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness!
45 posted on 12/12/2001 5:31:35 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
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To: Lazamataz
Confrontational? What an absurd thought. You made assumptions you could not uphold. Inference is not a reliable source for this case, no siree Bob.

Eldar Pompov
Topeka, KS

BTW--how did you know by nickname is Sparky? I have never posted it here.
46 posted on 12/12/2001 5:31:38 PM PST by ahmedtousay1
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To: ahmedtousay1
What do you say is great about our nation?
47 posted on 12/12/2001 5:33:02 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
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To: ahmedtousay1
There is very little Sir Lazamataz of Free Republic does not know. You should be more careful next time. Consider yourself warned.
48 posted on 12/12/2001 5:34:20 PM PST by AM2000
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To: Lazamataz
I see no obvious answers stated here, good sir--mostly irrational reactions to real events that you witness from the confines of your computer screen. And thank you, I have an education that began 49 years ago and is still ongoing. When did yours end?

Eldar Pompov
Temperate in Topeka
49 posted on 12/12/2001 5:37:13 PM PST by ahmedtousay1
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To: ahmedtousay1
Confrontational? What an absurd thought. You made assumptions you could not uphold. Inference is not a reliable source for this case, no siree Bob.

Your opinion and $1.29 will get you a large McDonalds coffee.

People infer all the time. Reports in the press are what we have to go on. From these facts as presented in reports we make inferences. If you don't like it, tough.

BTW--how did you know by nickname is Sparky? I have never posted it here

It just fit.

50 posted on 12/12/2001 5:37:43 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: AM2000
There is very little Sir Lazamataz of Free Republic does not know.

Well, I didn't know that!

I'll try to keep that in mind!

51 posted on 12/12/2001 5:38:34 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: ahmedtousay1
And your point is......? That I don't have a degree, or that I don't know how to assess information? Please do tell. Are you a patient at the Topeka institute or are you a professor? You know what I mean.

Kind regards

52 posted on 12/12/2001 5:38:34 PM PST by okiedust
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To: ahmedtousay1
I see no obvious answers stated here, good sir--mostly irrational reactions to real events that you witness from the confines of your computer screen.

....and from many dozens of print news sources, and from years of personal experience, and from research and sources of many dozens of individuals, and from radio broadcasts, and from television images, and ......

And thank you, I have an education that began 49 years ago and is still ongoing.

Oh, thats the problem. All the facts from 49 years ago are stale now. That's probably why you went with that ancient 'Moonie' smear vis-a-vis the Washington Times.

When did yours end?

I expect mine will end about 45 years from now, give or take a few decades. Thanks for asking!

53 posted on 12/12/2001 5:42:52 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: okiedust
Are you a patient at the Topeka institute or are you a professor?

Is there a difference? I mean, really?

54 posted on 12/12/2001 5:43:45 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
Coffee is $1.29 at McDonald's? What if you, say, wanted a hamburger and fries as well?
56 posted on 12/12/2001 5:46:07 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
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To: Lazamataz
BTW--how did you know by nickname is Sparky? I have never posted it here

It just fit.


So, you inferred here that my telling you that my nickname was Sparky was indeed true?

Keep on inferring then!!

LOL

Eldar Pompov
Temperate in Topeka
57 posted on 12/12/2001 5:46:13 PM PST by ahmedtousay1
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To: Lazamataz
How much is cherry pie at McDonalds?

And don't say it will cost you a diamond ring!

58 posted on 12/12/2001 5:48:27 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
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To: Lazamataz
You sure are becoming increasingly more dumb in your responses--how much dirt do you want on the Rev. Moon???

Eldar Pompov
Topeka, KS
59 posted on 12/12/2001 5:48:44 PM PST by ahmedtousay1
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To: ahmedtousay1
So, you inferred here that my telling you that my nickname was Sparky was indeed true?

Tell you the truth, I inferred nothing. I was poking and prodding and mocking you. If you are not nicknamed Sparky, you should be, since it fits. If you are nicknamed Sparky, then it fits.

Now, if Bill Gertz from the Washington Times states that American Intelligence officials have evidence that you are nicknamed Sparky, I will infer that this is, in fact, the truth.

I believe you are a patient.

60 posted on 12/12/2001 5:49:26 PM PST by Lazamataz
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