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To: ExiledInTaiwan
It is hard to take Edward Said seriously, as it is hard to take Benni Morris seriously. All of them come from hardened ideological perspectives. They simply represent their point of view and little else. The hope for an egalatarian democracy in the holy land is a futile dream. There is neither trust, nor is their good will.

However the people of the holy land came to be, whatever their religion or background, there are claims of violence and counter claims of injustice. Nothing will never satisfy the combatants. Nothing will satisfy the critics either. All that is left is war.

Neither Arab or Jew will compromise, and only war and the ability to win it remains. The Arabs have never stopped dreaming of the destruction of any organized Jewish presence. The Jews have never stopped dreaming of their national homeland.

If this sounds fatalistic, it is.

66 posted on 12/12/2001 1:50:49 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum
It is hard to take Edward Said seriously, as it is hard to take Benni Morris seriously. All of them come from hardened ideological perspectives

But this is just the same for the pro-zionist, pro-Israel, sites you and so many others here are quoting from. They only add so much spin and emotion to these issues.

So much so, that it is nearly impossible to discuss these issues without someone making emotional attacks. Of course, as you point out, across the ocean, these attacks are much more than emotional.

I have provided you with enough evidence which proves the academic world was well aware of Dr Benny Morris's positions. Yet the post you gave us is trying to add some terrific spin to this, as if the academics at Berkely were "shocked" by a "180" taken by Morris.

This is all a bit much. You must also take a critical look at the sites you are frequenting. They also have a hardened ideologic perspective.

As for craeting a peace in the region, nothing works better than treating people justly, and creating a level of comfort in peoples' lives where they will be disinclined towards violence.

Perhaps the US model of a pleuralistic society, without a state religion, and equality of all, would be the best model. After all, the Palestinians and Zionists are genetically brothers, from the same semitic stock, the Americans are from a more diverse background, but still have a cohesive, egelatarian society.

These hardened ideological stances need to stop, a dialogue needs to begin. But even here on FR this has been a hard thing to do.

When I first discussed these issues I often quoted some facts from a simple Worldbook Encyclopedia. I was called a liar, anti-semite, .. .well, you get the picture. And this just for quoting a Grolliers published encyclopedia about the history of Palestine!

People are so wound up about these issues and I'll say it again, you need to look to the sites you frequent, they are laden with as much emotion as fact. Take it all with a grain of salt and do the American thing, go look at the oppositions sites and materials. Then try to discern what is truth and what is self-serving propaganda.

69 posted on 12/12/2001 7:19:03 PM PST by ExiledInTaiwan
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