Bill Offered to Give FBI Access to Gun Records

Reuters ^

[Professional]

I don't know. Apparently the access is from purchasing guns from dealers, not private parties. Bottom line, don't buy any guns from a dealer huh?

[jojonomo55]

I see passage of this in the senate with the argument as follows, "Are you on the side of the terrorists, trying to protect their gun rights, or on the side of law enforcement and national security? "

could be a bloody fight.

[m1911]

Maybe I'm just tired, but I think this one is gonna pass. And included in it will be the permanent storage of 4473 records by States, or they will lose their road money, or HUD support, or Medicaid, or some other carrot that the ridiculous commerce clause extensions have given Congress. Voila! National registration database "available" to the FBI/DEA/BATF/IRS/etc, without the 2A issues because it's the States. And forget about the 14th ever being extended to cover the 2nd by the SC.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Register box cutters and reveal THAT list to the just-us department.

[womanvet]

That's why McPain is trying to eliminate gunshows, and to define a gunshow as a place where a gun is sold or traded.

I suppose what it means is only buy guns in motel parking lots, or something like that...

[brat]

Someone should tell the Democratic bozos that the terrorists used BOX CUTTERS, not guns!

[jimkress]

Gee, didn't Ashcroft just issue a letter as Attorney General indicating the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right/ Didn't he do that specifcally to refute the Left's contention that it was not an individual right? Didn't Ashcroft catch all kinds of hell from the gun grabbers but refused to retract his opinion?

Hardly sounds like an anti to me ....

[tgslTakoma]

FYI

[xclusiv1]

I listen to the police scanner while on the computer. Yes, the dispatcher informs the patrol cars whether anyone in the house, car, or street has a weapon registered to them.

Where did they get the info? Remember. a criminal does not register guns.

[MACD]

the federal records created when a buyer applies to buy a firearm

Back in the "Reno days" weren't we told this "record" would be deleted after 24 hrs, and no database would be maintained? Do they now want access to a database that we were told never would be kept?

[MississippiMan]

I'm in favor of gun rights-but not for terrorists

I agree but by and large, I doubt your average terrorist runs down to the local gun shop and plops down his DL to get his weaponry.

I'm glad that at least so far it appears that Ashcroft is sticking to his support of the right to bear arms, but if the gun industry is to be saved then more is needed than maintaining the status quo. The status quo is so burdensome that some ludicrous percentage of FFL-holders have turned in their licenses since '92. (Did I hear 75% somewhere a few months ago?) While the propaganda war was/is being constantly waged on the visible stage, the real strategy has been going on behind the scenes. That strategy is to eliminate the dealer base. Get rid of those pesky dealers and the manufacturers are absolutely sure to follow, as many already have. The firearms industry in the USA is in a death spiral, my friends.

MM

[m1911]

Talk is cheap.

[m1911]

Excellent point.

[Libertarianize the GOP]

So far all of the terrorist have been aliens, no American Citizens. For anyone other than an American Citizen to purchase a gun is a crime already. The current record check should show whether there is a record of birth in the State and city claimed. The records have already been checked for relevant information.

[HiTech RedNeck]

The "gunshow" attack is really an attack on all private sales of guns. A goodly minority of gun show gun sales are private.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Where did they get the info?

Municipal law requiring registrations?

[Travis McGee]

"We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legistlative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!"

~~~Then US Representative Chuck Schumer, on NBC, 1993.

[Drammach]

Maybe You didn't read my post completely.

Ashcroft VETOED Concealed Carry in Missouri as governor of that state.

Does that sound PRO-GUN to You?

Actions speak Louder than Words.

[m1911]

Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding

We have a winner!

[Travis McGee]

He's never given up on his "death of a thousand cuts" one-way ratchet effect strategy.