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Posted on 12/07/2001 10:15:51 PM PST by madrussian

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To: madrussian
Honesty vs. diplomacy. At one time there wasn't such a divergence. Diplomacy was synonymous with tact, a genteel politeness. Diplomates with charged with using tact in dealing with difficult situations. Today it means lying through your teeth.

So inny says that his religion teaches Jesus was a charismatic leader. Does he give you official references for this?

P.S. Inny's statement that few Jews were communist must mean he is not from New York or that he is being 'diplomatic'.

41 posted on 12/10/2001 3:25:03 PM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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To: GROUCHOTWO
P.S. Inny's statement that few Jews were communist must mean he is not from New York or that he is being 'diplomatic'.

Or that he's bargaining furiously and employing that famous Jewish "answering question with a question" tactics and fuzzy logic. They should write a manual on how to fool people... oh wait, maybe they have already.

42 posted on 12/10/2001 3:33:47 PM PST by madrussian
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To: madrussian
And what does "not interested" mean? Does sympathetic with the goals or using it for tribal goals qualify as "interested"?

You can tell how people feel about a government by the way they vote with their feet. There were about 7 million Jews in the Russian Empire in 1917. By 1923, when the Soviet Union sealed the border against further emigration, there were only about 3 million Jews left. Most of the Jews who had lived in the Russian Empire chose not to live in the Soviet Union.

we had a discussion on how kommies were cheered in Poland in 1939.

No, it was not commies who were cheered, it was the Russian Army. And with good reason. Any Jew who got behind Russian lines and managed to stay there was likely to survive the war. 90% of the rest died. In hindsight, they were correct to cheer the Russian Army.

43 posted on 12/10/2001 5:30:01 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: madrussian
Unlike Inyokern, who diplomatically answered my question about how Jews regard Jesus, saying that he was a "charismatic preacher".

Do you perhaps have me mistaken for someone else? I don't remember that exchange. I have never called Jesus a "charismatic preacher," as far as I can recall.

44 posted on 12/10/2001 5:32:51 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: madrussian
I didn't realize that there was a new biography out on Hillary.
45 posted on 12/10/2001 5:56:34 PM PST by Rocky
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To: madrussian
Dern, you are clever!

BTW, just in case he snoops on your posts I hope you don't mind if I throw in a few little USA commie pops just for fun:
Martin Sobol,
Harry Magdoff,
Nathan Silvermaster,
Jacob Golos,
Gregory Kheifetz,
Abe Taubman,
Armand Hammer,
Abe Heller,
Maurice Heller,
Bella Gold,
Theodore Hall(Holtzberg),
Philip Jaffe,
Samiel Dickstein,
Borris Morris,
and Noel Field.
This is a very short list of the old timers. None of them are Mormons, I promise you.

46 posted on 12/10/2001 6:26:03 PM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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To: malarski; madrussian
Inyo, after working hard on Wayne Gacy (typical name from Czestochowa), twisted Theodore to Thaddeus to make a point.
He's almost as good as famous historian G. Will or sociologist Jan Gross.
Now he's lying on the other thread about Czechoslovakia again.
47 posted on 12/10/2001 6:57:18 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: CommiesOut
Inyo, after working hard on Wayne Gacy (typical name from Czestochowa), twisted Theodore to Thaddeus to make a point.

Do you want me to prove that Gacy and Kaczynski are Polish? Do you really really want that?

48 posted on 12/10/2001 7:23:08 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: GROUCHOTWO
This is a very short list of the old timers.

Jewish Nobel Prize Winners for Science Polish Nobel Prize Winners for Science
Altman, Sidney Sklodowska-Curie, Maria
Axelrod, Julius
Baltimore, David
Barany, Robert
Benacerraf, Baruj
Berg, Paul
Bethe, Hans Albrecht
Bloch, Felix
Bloch, Konrad
Blumberg, Baruch S.
Bohr, Niels
Born, Max
Brown, Herbert C.
Calvin, Melvin
Chain, Sir Ernst Boris
Charpak, Georges
Cohen, Stanley
Cohen-Tannoudji, Claude
de Hevesy, George
Edelman, Gerald M.
Ehrlich, Paul
Einstein, Albert
Elion, Gertrude B.
Erlanger, Joseph
Feynman, Richard P.
Franck, James
Friedman, Jerome I.
Furchgott, Robert F.
Gabor, Dennis
Gell-Mann, Murray
Gilbert, Walter
Gilman, Alfred G.
Glaser, Donald A.
Glashow, Sheldon L.
Goldstein, Joseph L.
Haber, Fritz
Hauptman, Herbert A.
Hertz, Gustav
Hoffmann, Roald
Hofstadter, Robert
Jacob, Francois
Josephson, Brian D.
Kandel, Eric R.
Kapitsa, Pyotr Leonidovich
Karle, Jerome
Katz, Sir Bernard
Klug, Sir Aaron
Kohn, Walter
Kornberg, Arthur
Krebs, Sir Hans Adolf
Landau, Lev Davidovich
Landsteiner, Karl
Lederberg, Joshua
Lederman, Leon M.
Lee, David M.
Levi-Montalcini, Rita
Lipmann, Fritz Albert
Lippmann, Gabriel
Loewi, Otto
Luria, Salvador E.
Lwoff, Andre
Marcus, Rudolph A.
Mechnikov, Elie
Meyerhof, Otto Fritz
Michelson, Albert Abraham
Milstein, Cesar
Moissan, Henri
Mottelson, Ben Roy
Muller, Hermann Joseph
Nathans, Daniel
Nirenberg, Marshall W.
Osheroff, Douglas D.
Penzias, Arno A.
Perl, Martin L.
Perutz, Max Ferdinand
Prusiner, Stanley B.
Rabi, Isidor Isaac
Reichstein, Tadeus
Reines, Frederick
Richter, Burton
Rodbell, Martin
Schally, Andrew V.
Schwartz, Melvin
Schwinger, Julian
Segre, Emilio Gino
Stein, William Howard
Steinberger, Jack
Stern, Otto
Temin, Howard Martin
Varmus, Harold E.
von Baeyer, Johann
Waksman, Selman
Wald, George
Wallach, Otto
Warburg, Otto Heinrich
Weinberg, Steven
Willstatter, Richard Martin
Yalow, Rosalyn

49 posted on 12/10/2001 8:04:13 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: GROUCHOTWO; madrussian; malarski; Askel5; Zviadist; kristinn; Free the USA; struwwelpeter...
This is the one that pushed for KKK marches in Chicago suburbs.

Surprised?
Imagine: all commie positions taken, Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore, in other words--nowhere to go.
What can an ambitious person to do in order to get noticed?

Here's about one dude who virtually brought Washington, DC to a halt:
It was a beautiful Saturday, 08/07/99. DC Freepers got ready for a weekly duty. But here they were--Nazis. And the downtown looked like Kandahar: 1,426 Police Officers, SS, Black Helicopters, Strange Vehicles, Commies, American Labour Party, Socialist Workers, Shalom International of Miami, AJC, NAACP, FReepers, you name it...
Neo-Nazis bail out of their march
Metastasizing hate
Outnumbered neo-Nazi group cancels hate march
Pictures: 1 2 3 4 5

"I think the city ought to sue these people," Police Chief Charles Ramsey angrily declared as he stood in his riot helmet complaining that the city had just spent close to $1 million protecting the civil rights of a no-show troublemaker.
Cmon, Chief... what's wrong with a little hutzpa?
50 posted on 12/10/2001 8:23:36 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: madrussian; AshleyMontagu; jmp702
Our friend here must be a Volga nazi. We better be careful.
Jewish people are good, act justly, don't lie and don't brag about achievements like this strange dude.
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51 posted on 12/10/2001 8:38:13 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: Inyokern
In hindsight, they were correct to cheer the Russian Army. (Jews cheering the Red Army invading Poland in 1939)

These Jews were Polish citizens. Therefore, they were simply traitors. Thank you for giving your honest answer on this issue.

52 posted on 12/10/2001 8:45:42 PM PST by malarski
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To: malarski
You shouldn't do it.
Now he'll be praying for Johnny Taliban Walker, Silver Springs, MD, to be declared a patriot.
53 posted on 12/10/2001 8:56:37 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: Inyokern
Do you perhaps have me mistaken for someone else? I don't remember that exchange. I have never called Jesus a "charismatic preacher," as far as I can recall.

Now that you mention it, I think it was "angelo" who characterized Jesus as such. Sorry about that confusion.

54 posted on 12/10/2001 9:14:37 PM PST by madrussian
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To: Inyokern
You can tell how people feel about a government by the way they vote with their feet.

During peace time, maybe. The fact that people were fleeing civil war where millions got killed, famine and shortages, doesn't prove anything.

55 posted on 12/10/2001 9:27:36 PM PST by madrussian
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To: Inyokern
No foreign government protected Gacy. With Sammy Sheinbein we see a different story. In spite of the fact that Sam would not even reveal the location of all his victim's body parts for a decent burial, Israel took Sheinbein in with open arms.
56 posted on 12/11/2001 4:49:09 AM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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To: CommiesOut
A classic example of these masters of deceit!

ANDREW GREENBAUM of the KKK serves as a fund raiser for Potok's Southern Poverty Law Center. How else could this whacko organization survive?

57 posted on 12/11/2001 5:08:30 AM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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To: GROUCHOTWO
At least Janko Wladek Gacyski was smart enough to change his name to good Irish one.
He didn't fool Inyo, though :(
58 posted on 12/11/2001 7:08:34 AM PST by CommiesOut
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To: CommiesOut
Haha. So we don't even know his nationality! I don't think we should rely on the judgement of those who constantly change the 'truth' to suit their purposes.
59 posted on 12/11/2001 8:26:06 AM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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To: Inyokern; madrussian
The Nobel Prize...contrary to popular opinion it is not 'bestowed'.

Had Armand Hammer lived long enough, there is a very good chance he would have received one. He, in his first attempt, obtained a Nobel nomination due to the efforts of Menachim Begin.

The use of nepotistic networks, academic cliques and, at times, even intermarriage gets these people these accolades......hustling, in other words.

P.S. Armand, named for the bloody Soviet symbol, spent a life time courting the Bolsheviks. His dad, one of the founders of the Comminist Party USA, spent time in jail for performing a deadly, botched, illegal abortion.

60 posted on 12/11/2001 12:03:40 PM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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