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[madrussian]

Interesting piece of history. Real life, not Hollywood schlock or pseudo-history.

[madrussian]

It deserves a thread.

[KantianBurke]

She deserved whatever pain she recieved. If it had been up to her, most people on FR and the rest of te world would be in chains or gulags.

[madrussian]

When it was up to Lenin and his merry band of Bolsheviks, millions were put in gulags and murdered. But as someone said, they were simply "idealists". Right.

[CommiesOut]

If it had been up to her, most people on FR and the rest of te world would be in chains or gulags.

Let's hope that nowadays she writes books only.

[CommiesOut]

I can't believe it, comrade.
She even had conflicts with the California Communist Party leadership.
What a troublemaker.
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[SuziQ]

I'm curious as to why she stayed in the Soviet Union after her parents returned home to America. Did she really believe she would have more opportunities there? And I'm curious as to why the parents thought life in the USSR was going to be so good for Jews; there had been pogroms there for YEARS and Jews had been coming the the US to escape them! I guess, like their daughter, they were looking for some entity to take care of them.

[CommiesOut]

But as someone said, they were simply "idealists".

How did you know that? Bought a book already?
That's what it says on the front flap:
"For much of the time she was an idealistic supporter of Soviet socialism and a dedicated member of the Young Communist League".

[Leisler]

I take it she reunited with her family and they all work for a major American media outlet.

[GROUCHOTWO]

YCL=a mirror image of Hitler's Youth, the former causing even more blood-letting than the latter.

[Inyokern]

This is a "man bites dog" story. Jews who left the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union to come to the United States were among the least likely of any immigrant group to ever go back. Millions left but only a few thousand ever returned.

The number of Jews who returned to the Soviet Union in the 1930's is dwarfed by the number who left the Soviet Union before 1990 and returned to Russia after the fall of communism.

[malarski]

When Abraham succumbed to a serious illness in 1959, Mary applied for an exit visa: The time had come to reunite with her parents in the United States.

Just wondering what happened to poor Abraham. If I can read Mary's "idealistic" mind, she probably left him dying in the Soviet Union to go back to the country that she despised, good ol' USA.

Also, she must have joined the spy agency on her own, ready to spy on us. The citizens of the Soviet Union were not compelled to join the KGB or any other intelligence gathering organization. It was their own choice. What a scum.

[CommiesOut]

John Walker (Maryland/California Taliban) should write a thick book and ask Laurie Bernstein and Robert Weinberg for Introduction.
Then he can put money in the bank and wait for pardon from Pres. Hillary or Pres. Kennedy Townsend.

[madrussian]

And I'm curious as to why the parents thought life in the USSR was going to be so good for Jews; there had been pogroms there for YEARS and Jews had been coming the the US to escape them!

You are confused, pogroms happened in isolated parts of the Russian Empire, like Ukraine. This story goes against the usual "Stalin was an anti-semite and Jews were victims in the Soviet Union" revisionist mantra.

[Inyokern]

You are confused, pogroms happened in isolated parts of the Russian Empire, like Ukraine.

Because that is where the Jews lived. Duh.

When the Russian revolution occurred in Moscow, there were almost no Jews living in Moscow.

[madrussian]

Because that is where the Jews lived. Duh.

Perhaps you are trying to blame Russians for the pogroms that didn't happen in Russia? LOL! You know they would have happened in Russia if the Jews had lived there, right?

When the Russian revolution occurred in Moscow, there were almost no Jews living in Moscow.

Not as many as in Ukraine, that's for sure. The February revolution removed the pale and made Jews free, and they repaid with overthrowing Provisional government.

[Inyokern]

Perhaps you are trying to blame Russians for the pogroms that didn't happen in Russia?

I didn't blame the Russians for any pogroms on this thread.

The February revolution removed the pale and made Jews free, and they repaid with overthrowing Provisional government.

So between Feburary and October 1917, the Jews moved enmasse to Moscow, raised an army and overthrew the Kerensky government? Do you really believe something so absurd?

The fact is that most Jews (or at least, the small number who had any interest in Russian politics at all) supported the Kerensky government.

[Inyokern]

John Walker (Maryland/California Taliban) should write a thick book and ask Laurie Bernstein and Robert Weinberg for Introduction.

Or perhaps Thaddeus "Ted" Kascynski.

[CommiesOut]

Any neo-commie moron would work.
What a country, eh?

[GROUCHOTWO]

Don't forget Rabbi Daniel Bergman!!!