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To: Cernunnos
Therein lies the problem. I am not trying to prove any one thing, one way or the other, but answer the contention that the miracles of the bible have sufficient evidence supporting belief in them. My answer is that the evidence does not satisfy the claims.

Name a better explanation for the behavior of the disciples - cowards to lions of faith overnight. They put their lives on the line based on what they believed they saw. Who would die for a lie knowing it was a lie? Name one instance in history where this has EVER happened. A person may die for a lie believing it was the truth but not for a lie.

While you are at it, explain how the Resurrection story could have survived in Jerusalem amongst the hostile romans and jews - why didn't they just produce the body and end it all? What happened to the body? hmmm?

Furthermore, there is no doubt that the gospel accounts are very early - e.g. 1st Cor. 15 (Gospel creed) was written in 51 AD (this dating is not in dispute btw) - and if you follow Paul's travels in Acts, one must arrive at an origin of the gospel of 35 AD at the latest! This is just a primer! Let's see how much you know.

Zen? Does that involve reincarnation until you finally get it right? You question the miracles in the NT, yet you believe in reincarnation? What's wrong with this picture? Yes, let's speak of "consistency."

Your ignorance of the rules of evidence is almost breathtaking. You being a self-professed recovering junky, I understand that you may have a history of prevarication, but your constant contention that the burden of proof lies on me is laughable, since the historical record contained in the bible is alone not sufficient evidence, unless you give equal creedence to the miracles of other faiths as well, and you evidently don't.

That you have yet to prove. The historical record speaks for itself - prove it wrong! Give me your counter-evidence right now, and state your historical source! I don't want your opinion either - I want evidence and logical reasoning.

I will ignore your silly insult and stick to the debate. I will just say that you are also a liar. Have you ever lied even once in your life - even a white lie. Then you are a liar - it takes one lie to make a liar. Now that that point is settled, I will ask you to stick to the debate which I have now engaged. I'm ready for your reply. Let's have your evidence.

344 posted on 12/07/2001 8:20:33 AM PST by exmarine
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To: exmarine
I don't see how you can convince or prove to anyone that Christ was resurrected without the person receiving the holy spirit first.
352 posted on 12/07/2001 9:06:58 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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