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Bible written by different writers at different times for different people
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Posted on 12/06/2001 6:32:57 AM PST by Weatherman123

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To: stevem
You and I are on the same page. Read some of the posts on this thread. You'll find a LOT of people don't agree with us.
81 posted on 12/06/2001 8:05:39 AM PST by Weatherman123
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To: Weatherman123
If it were divinely inspired wouldn't it be perfect and without contradiction?

What about the books that are not included in the Bible. Are they divinely inspired and if not, why not?

What about the Dead Sea Scrolls? Are they divinely inspired?

Were some books inspired by the Catholics but uninspired after the Reformation?

Is the King James version of the OT more or less inspired than the Torah?

82 posted on 12/06/2001 8:06:02 AM PST by Patria One
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To: Weatherman123
I knew we would split on this one Mom, but that's ok with me. If we all thought the same, the world would be boring. If we all thought like liberals, the world would be unbearable! :)

If we were all liberals we would all be at the NOW rally :>(

Just don't get tied into one opinion on scripture girl..read!

Blessings

83 posted on 12/06/2001 8:08:08 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: kjam22
These discussions are always silly. Was Genesis literal or symbolic?

It's not silly. Your very soul depends on Genesis story being true. Let me offer a little logic in this regard: If Adam and Eve are mere allegory or myth, then there is no original sin. If there is no original sin, there is no need for a Savior; if there is no need for a Savior; then Jesus Christ becomes irrelevant and there is no sin now; if there is no sin, then why do catholics go to confession every Sunday?

84 posted on 12/06/2001 8:08:28 AM PST by exmarine
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To: hopespringseternal
Here is your problem: If God did indeed create the universe as described, then He can not be modeled within that universe. You can't apply the physical constraints of time, space, even cause and effect to God.

I don't believe God created the universe as described. I believe the creation story is a myth that helped people understand the beginning of time, the world, and human kind. Of course you can't apply physical contraints to God. The one thing I DO KNOW about God is that he is beyond my comprehension and beyond the comprehension of any mortal.

85 posted on 12/06/2001 8:09:25 AM PST by Weatherman123
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To: Patria One
Please name one bonafide contradiction from the bible.
86 posted on 12/06/2001 8:09:30 AM PST by exmarine
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To: *crevo_list
Bump.
87 posted on 12/06/2001 8:09:41 AM PST by Junior
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To: Weatherman123
Moses wrote of his own death?

Because someone else (perhaps Joshua) redacted the Torah does not mean the Torah was not compiled by Moses. Take a modern day example, for instance:

Paul Little wrote some good apologetics books, such as "Know why you believe". Mr. Little later died and his wife, Mary, "redacted" some of his books, telling of Mr. Little's death. Does that mean Paul Little did not write or compile his books? No. Of course not.

88 posted on 12/06/2001 8:09:47 AM PST by Carol Roberts
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To: Weatherman123
The traditional Jewish interpretation is that Moshe wrote of his own death with tears in his eyes. Prophecy is not always pleasant.
89 posted on 12/06/2001 8:11:02 AM PST by slhill
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To: agrace
Find a problem with this scenario, please.

I can't. It's a plausible scenario. I just don't agree with it. :) I don't believe it's the same writer. I (and many others) can hear two distinct voices. Not just in Genesis, but through out the Pentatuch. But your scenario makes sense as well, if you don't believe in the theory of mutliple writers.

90 posted on 12/06/2001 8:14:02 AM PST by Weatherman123
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To: exmarine
excellent arguments until you got to the last one ...if there is no sin why do catholics go to confession every Sunday. I understood your point but it lost the strength you were building because many are not Catholics yet confess their sin to the LORD Jesus. All others sin, but confess not at all... confession or the lack of it does not prove sin. The bible tells us that Jesus was the last High Priest and has opened the wide the door to God's throne, that we can approach with confidence based on His atoning blood, and that if we confess our sins before Him He is faithful to forgive.
91 posted on 12/06/2001 8:14:16 AM PST by unsnatchable
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To: Weatherman123
When you finally have a moment of clarity about something that has been accepted by almost every other person who knows anything about a subject, you would be better off not to label it as "new". You are one of the few to whom this subject matter is "new".

Flash! I have some new information for the world. 2+2=4

92 posted on 12/06/2001 8:15:51 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: Weatherman123
I use the word myth in relation to the creation story ONLY. I'm NOT saying the entire Bible is myth. Why can't you folks see that. I'm started to get frustrated. I think I'll take a break and go play with my little boy.

I think for many people, myself included, when it comes to the Bible it's either all or nothing. Either the Bible is divinely inspired or it's not. Either it's the Word of God, or it's not. Picking and choosing what we do and do not like out of the Bible is a dangerous path to take, because it's in man's nature to only accept the easy things, and to throw away those things that we most need to hear.

Your example is a classic. The easy path is just to divide up the Bible and say, well this is different so therefore even though the Bible says later on that these things were written by a particular person, it's easier to just divide it up among several different authors. Your example follows the famous (or infamous, IMO) JDEP (or whatever it's called, I forget the initials) framework for divying up various books of the Old Testament. What that particular theory does, ultimately, is deny the unity of the Bible, and the miraculous aspects of the writing and preservation of the text itself. It also denies the fullness and multi-faceted nature of God and implies that man's "perception" of God is what's important by elevating supposedly different writers' perceptions and understanding of God into a position of authority rather than accepting God as the ultimate authority over His own word...

-penny

93 posted on 12/06/2001 8:17:08 AM PST by Penny1
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To: ThomasJefferson
lol... but a bit harsh
94 posted on 12/06/2001 8:17:28 AM PST by unsnatchable
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To: agrace
I forgot to ask. Do you see my scenario as plausible? You can't not agree with it but still see it as possible. Just curious.
95 posted on 12/06/2001 8:17:42 AM PST by Weatherman123
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To: Weatherman123
I don't believe God created the universe as described.

This is arrogant. How do you know how God created the universe ? In addition, if you agree that the bible was inspired by God and if God is all powerfull, why would he let his story be told in error ?

Are you sure you understand Genesis 1 and 2 fully ? Are you sure you understand just how the world was created ? Even scientists are not sure but you know better ?

Humble yourself and you will do much better at your bible studies.

96 posted on 12/06/2001 8:18:16 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: exmarine
Why is it so important that the Bible not have contradictions? Would it truly shake your faith to find out that it does? Why? Wouldn't it only be natural for books written hundreds of years apart for people of different communities and different needs to have major differences? It would be frightening for me to live devoted to a religion that had every question answered, every "t" crossed and every "i" dotted. God knows that we won't change any minds in this forum, but it wouldn't it be nice if we could all stretch our minds and move from the literal translation of every single passage of every single book and understand that the important points are not exactly what happened, down to the smallest detail. Instead, the important part was that God was there.
97 posted on 12/06/2001 8:18:46 AM PST by Tribefan
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To: Weatherman123
YOU SAID:
---In the second, the LORD, God, begins his work with man. The garden, trees, rivers and animals follow

The following is a larger portion of text from chapter 2. Please note the areas in bold.

Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested[1] from all his work.

3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens--

5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth[2] and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth[3] and there was no man to work the ground,

6 but streams[4] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground--

7 the LORD God formed the man[5] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

8 Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.

9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground--trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters.

Obviously, to place a man in the garden, it had to be there first. The "had planted" followed the verse about "forming" the man. Sequentially, then, the garden came first....as did the streams.

Thus, point 2 of your theory topples. And with it the entire theory.

98 posted on 12/06/2001 8:18:49 AM PST by xzins
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To: Weatherman123
What I do expect to find in the bible is MORAL TRUTH-but even some of those have been revised as we've evolved as a people

So truth as a whole is not fixed, but dependent upon your view of it and how we as a people have 'evolved'. From that standpoint, you could justify X42's actions as 'well it was HIS view of the truth'

99 posted on 12/06/2001 8:19:37 AM PST by billbears
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To: unsnatchable
lol... but a bit harsh

Point well made, but it made you LOL, so it was worth it. I'm just in that kind of mood today. :-)

100 posted on 12/06/2001 8:20:03 AM PST by Protagoras
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