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Abortion Violence (Quiz)
Human Life International ^ | November 15, 2001 (updated monthly) | Human Life International

Posted on 12/05/2001 12:07:29 PM PST by toenail

1. What California National Organization for Women (NOW) chapter president bludgeoned a businessman to death with a tire iron and killed another man after picking him up in a bar, then, when caught, whined that "A political climate of violence and degradation of women is in a test stage, with me as its first victim?"

2. What New York City abortionist (subsequently known as "Zorro" to his staff) carved his initials on the abdomen of one of his patients with a scalpel because "I thought I did such a beautiful job, I thought I should sign it?" (hint: This abortionist worked for an abortion mill that was subsequently shut down for health and safety violations, and which shipped women like cattle to unlicensed abortion mills in its "Happiness Bus!").

3. Which prominent El Paso abortionist and ardent admirer of Adolf Hitler became a professional wrestler named "The Chinese Bandit" to raise money on the side?

4. What former Nazi SS officer put his wartime skills to use by becoming an abortionist for Kaiser Permanente in Ohio and Hawaii?

5. Which prominent Chicago abortionist made "kiddie porn" featuring his own 3-year-old daughter, and, when caught, blamed his prosecution on local pro-lifers?

6. Which world-famous American pro-abortion feminist, a co-founder of the National Organization for Women (NOW), was caught by customs officials at an airport with a load of sado-masochistic magazines depicting women in extreme bondage?

7. What New York City abortionist who was found guilty of nearly four hundred counts of medical malpractice and incompetence won the award for the all-time original excuse by saying that her husband dominated her with Voodoo?

8. What abortionist had sex with a patient just before aborting her, and when caught, told a newspaper "I believe that if a woman decides to have a termination, it should be done safely, legally and with some dignity?"

9. Which prominent Jackson, Mississippi abortionist, a prolific producer of child pornography, was a member of the International Diaper Pail Foundation, in which the members are infantilists who enjoy wearing diapers, defecating in the diapers, and smearing the defecation all over their bodies?

10. What Boston abortionist aborted a living and viable baby boy, deliberately smothered him, was convicted of manslaughter but released on a technicality, and was later rewarded by being given the post of Chairman of the Board of Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA)?

11. What vocal Miami pro-abortionist murdered both of his roommates with an ax, and then called the killings "justifiable homicide" because the roommates had "complained about his sloppiness?" (Hint: This person also stabbed his abortionist mother in the neck with a steak knife).

12. What New York abortionist admitted to exposing himself to more than 700 women and young girls, finally kidnapped and raped a six-year-old girl and spent seven years in prison for the crime, and was then welcomed back to his abortion practice with open arms by the State of New York?


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To: siuslaw
Do you have children?
62 posted on 12/06/2001 9:20:19 PM PST by woollyone
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To: siuslaw
Question #2...
you used the term "abortion". The word "abort" means "to abruptly stop or halt" and adding the suffix "-ion", connotates the "action of...", so the term "abortion" means the action of abruptly topping or halting".

QUESTION: what is it that is being abruptly stopped or halted?

63 posted on 12/06/2001 9:24:15 PM PST by woollyone
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To: siuslaw
I can appreciate what you are trying to say about the abortion debate - I am certainly largely glad to live in a country that has an abortion policy that, although highly grey in definition, and very imprecise, avoids the way-out-there things that go on in some of your states, and the ferocious debate that trails sick issues such as partial birth abortions.

You are right to say;
At what point does it become a human being? That is the question.

Now the question has to be asked; when do you think a human life begins? And importantly, when do you think something that can be called a human being has its first day of its existence?

64 posted on 12/06/2001 10:31:34 PM PST by New Zealander
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To: toenail
I flunked this pop-quiz. Couldn't think of one answer...

Not even Vilis Kruze?

Nope. I don't get out, much.

65 posted on 12/07/2001 3:17:54 AM PST by packrat01
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To: siuslaw; woollyone; New Zealander; toenail
It is not the "pro baby murder crowd". There are people who are anti-abortion but in favor of a woman's right to choose what happens to her body. Are you trying to mix reproductive rights--the right to not reproduce, not get pregnant--with life support? Yes. On purpose! we'll see ... No matter how vehemently you disagree, there are people who do not feel that a fertilized egg is a human being. You realize, don't you, that when an egg is fertilized, it instantly is no longer an egg? The egg is the female gamete, the oocyte; once the male and female gametes unite, it is no longer gametophile but an individual lifetime begun. Your next assertion is the vital one ... At what point does it become a human being? That is the question. Well, it is 100% certain, scientifically, that every individual lifetime starts at conception, but interestingly enough, the term 'conception' is used ambiguously, to mean the union of sperm and egg and alternately the implantation of the new lifetime begun when the sperm and egg united. Once conception occurs as union of gametes, there is the notion of the zygotic life seeking lifesupport, if in a female's body, from the female's body. With implantation into the uterine lining, the new lifetime is receiving life support, so the female is now pregnant--we say that she has conceived--so I would put my money on the notion that what has brought about the state of being pregnant has to be the presence of a second human person, because human women don't get pregnant with goat implants, not yet anyway. Before implantation and the state of a woman being pregnant, there is room to discuss whether the new lifetime begun at conception is yet a personal human being, but after implantation, from that moment onward, there is a pregnancy and thus a second individual human being going through the earliest stages of a lifetime begun at union of human gameyes, sperm and ovum. Please not though, what is seeking life support from its surroundings IS AN ORGANISM, a human organism seeking life support.

I am all in favor of vigorous and open debate ... I realize that the two sides share such different world views that I don't see how they will ever come together. Using terms that mean the same to both sides would be a great place to start, instaed of purposeful obfuscation of scientific facts This saddens me. Oh, it saddens me much more than it does you, because I believe the divisive argument is calculated to maintain an impass that will allow the ongoing slaughter of hundreds of thousnads of conscious little ones in their mother's wombs, for I've studied the notion of consciousness of a prenatal in depth and found that the state of awareness of the environment starts along about the beginninhg of the fourth month to fifth month from implantation in the uterus, so far too many abortions in my nation are actually an industry of serial killing, slaughtering children in whom the miraculous journey of consciousness ahs already begun. THAT IS wrong. Nothing can assage that truth. Are there real reasons to terminate a pregnancy when a second individual consciousness will be snuffed out?... ONLY where the actual survival of the mother is threatened should the pregnancy continue. You may feel that my argument is full of contradictions, Yes, you use the phrase 'fertilized egg', perhaps confusing the absolute scientific truth that an individual lifetime begins with the union of gametes and the moment after the union, there is no longer an egg but a zygote, an individual lifetime begun and at the initial stage called the zygote but I and many others disagree. 60 posted by siuslaw

When discussing things of a scientific nature, it is not fair dinkum to switch back and forth from asserting scientific facts then appealing to the very non-scientific phrases such as 'fertilized egg' ... not fair because you aren't dumb enough to not understand the truth you are obfuscating. If you want honest debate, honest discussion, an honest effort to uncover common ground, be honest.

66 posted on 12/07/2001 7:37:14 AM PST by MHGinTN
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To: siuslaw
Life begins at conception. This term needs a little clarification in the face of cloning, but the moment an egg cell has the signal to begin work on developing its full compliment of 46 chromosomes (give or take a very few), it is human life. At the instant it’s called a Zygote and is not much more exciting than a germ, natural odds are hard on it and it can be considered ‘one or more individual(s)’ – it may divide, although the individuals lives share the same start point. Conception is still the moment the dice are cast. It is the singular moment we all owe the most of ourselves to, the very crucial stage through which we all passed.

Kept to that it is simple, and we would all have to agree on this start point if it wasn’t for the great complication: the place where life must develop…and the clashes that ensue. It is not a woman’s choice to be born a woman, but there is no changing that. But loosely said, any woman who maintains a functioning life support system in her body, and who’s body effectively produces the necessary ingredients for life indicates that she is willing or complicit to participate in providing life-support to a developing human.

Again, that is loosely put – there are issues I am omitting for brevity – but these issues provide exceptions, not rocks to break the facts over.
I like to make it as much about fact as possible – it is a fact based argument. I think it is important to be honest, because trying to state that life begins after conception gets very hairy. Trying to claim that an individual can privately preside over life can become a nightmare of establishing rights, and can start to an upset of the rights of everyone. I can’t approve of people who try to deny the facts in order to advance their belief that it is only a woman’s rights matter.

By the time I post this, you will probably have been flamed (if others are still paying attention to this thread) for suggesting that beliefs should provide the signposts for individuals to decide the issue of abortion. I’m sorry if you have been flamed, but we must acknowledge that beliefs do have their limits[post script: no flames - looks like it's just you and me here at the moment]. I noticed you were reluctant to form (or just state?) an opinion of your own. That seems a shame to me – I think that it is important for people to have a go at it, to try and take a standpoint, even if it is kept mostly private. I want to encourage you to browse through some of the threads around here and follow-up a few of the posted links you might find.

The way I see it, you’ve got to be honest about the facts, and then you have to develop a policy that tries to fit them into the real world (which requires very earnest, intellectually honest and carefully controlled debate). The way the debate in your country goes, that isn’t going to happen soon – I know you agree with that.

You talk about the images of abortions – this is an interesting issue. Some think that these images are a weapon, and uses them as such. I disagree with that notion, but I do see a purpose to the images. To me, many people have fallen out of sync with reality; a fault line runs between the way things are, and the way people would choose to see them. A vague illustration of this come from David Grossman in an analogy in his book On Killing. He talks of the extreme taboo of sex in Victorian society(on one side), and the pornography it generated(on the other side), and compares it to the rejection of acknowledging/discussing just violence/killing (as happens in warfare/policing) versus the gratuitous violence seen in film. Similar issues rise when we think of eating meat, and the repulsion that many feel when a slaughterhouse is seen (despite the fact humans are very highly capable of preparing an animal as food). In all these issues, concerning sex, and death humans must be expected to seek out a viewpoint (collective or personal) that has an element or degree of grey to it, despite the unpleasantries integral to these issues. Instead, these opposing positions arise, where the two tectonic absolutes grind against each other, two rocks that seek to maintain purity within themselves, but reject the responsibility to consider each other. The key is not that they grind down to equilibrium – that may not happen. The key is that eventually reality is faced up to, the knee-jerking ends, and the real debate begins. The concept of woman’s rights is not easily expressed in an image – but ‘pro-lifers’ need to wrap their heads around that too.

68 posted on 12/09/2001 4:34:53 PM PST by New Zealander
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To: Khepera
You posted a picture of a beautiful, non-aborted baby. This is reality. This is why I will fight for the pro-life position by every legal means necessary. Who's with me?
69 posted on 12/09/2001 4:43:07 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
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To: woollyone
Brilliant post. I salute you.
70 posted on 12/09/2001 4:44:09 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
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To: Colt .45
You have solved the riddle of what "PCL" means!
71 posted on 12/09/2001 4:46:50 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
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To: Colt .45
I want abortion stopped. Lets try abortionists as murders.
72 posted on 12/09/2001 4:50:42 PM PST by Khepera
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To: Colt .45
Remember there is nothing wrong with being a bigot. Bigot means you will not compromise your principles.
73 posted on 12/09/2001 4:52:08 PM PST by Khepera
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To: toenail
What I'd like to see is V4F (veto for fathers) posited against C4M (choice for men). Both expose the incongruity of responsibilities without rights for fathers. While I am 100% in favor of V4F, I support getting the C4M argument out there, to expose this incongruity.

I'm in favor of a post-Roe Human Life Amendment. En route to that, there will need to be incremental measures put into place by law. A ban on partial-birth abortion, parental consent for minors, defunding Planned Parenthood, keeping the proposed "clinics" out of public schools...and V4F.

V4F is, in tandem with science and sympathy in favor of the prenatal baby. V4F offers a visible protagonist (the father), who is closely connected to the situation at hand.

It obliterates the "every child a wanted child" argument. Under V4F, every child is wanted, and supported, by the father.

It blows the myth of abortion being a "woman's issue". So long as pro-lifers are silent on V4F, abortion will be considered by the public-at-large a "woman's issue". As such, on some level, people will say, "Well, so long as abortions aren't forced..."

Many, many women subscribe to the NIMBY principle, saying that they would not personally have an abortion, but wouldn't stop others...V4F exposes the gyncentricity of this position.

I would pose to pro-lifers the following: the pro-life movement has failed in the courts and legislatures for 30 years. They have failed to endorse or even acknowledge the V4F position for 30 years. Society has paid the price for this twinned set of failures, and they are twinned. Abortion will never end, and a Human Life Amendment will never come about, until V4F is endorsed by the pro-life movement. It takes two to make a baby, but so long as pro-lifers are silent about one of those two, the father, it will appear that only one person was involved in conception, and that therefor the product of conception is the province of one person only. Keeping fathers/V4F out of the picture undermines the personhood of the prenatal baby for these reasons. It is not baby's rights vs. father's rights. It is that after 30 years of colossal failure by the pro-life movement's no-father approach, the baby's personhood needs to be endorsed by a visible, immediately involved protagonist: the father.

Pro-lifers refuse to engage this issue. All manner of red herrings are thrown out: well, the father was probably some irresponsible jerk, or somehow V4F would lead to C4M (when actually they are opposites), etc. etc.

Pro-lifers refuse to wake-up and endorse this issue.

And this is why we fail.

74 posted on 12/20/2001 4:57:14 AM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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