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Swiss[Patriots] Reject Army Proposal (78% Refuse To Disarm +Disband Militia-Style Army!)
Irish Times, New York Times, MSNBC, Agency France ^ | December 3, 2001 | News Staffs

Posted on 12/03/2001 4:51:52 PM PST by t-shirt

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God Bless the Great Patriots of Switzerland and their Constitutional Repubvlic and their long-lasting citizen miltia!

This insane proposal which was pushed by the globalists/socialists anti-gun, disarmament scumbags was actually called: Switzerland Without An Army!

***Take note the Swiss also voted down a second Globalist intiative which would have placed their citizens in UN "peace-keeping" crap, and would have set-up an internal SS Gestapo to "protect" the citizens, instead of their citizens protecting themselves as they always have done so well with their citizen militia style army.

Remember to never give up your Constitutionly protected rights (and your duties as an American to be well-armed, well-informed and free) for false promises from the government of security via loss of rights

1 posted on 12/03/2001 4:51:52 PM PST by t-shirt
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To: archy; Lazamataz; lowbridge; copycat; sarcasm; B4Ranch; Mercuria; DoughtyOne; jeremiah...
December 3, 2001

Swiss Voters Reject Effort to Abolish Their Army By ELIZABETH OLSON

GENEVA, Dec. 2 — Swiss voters, turning aside arguments that their citizen army is outdated and unnecessary, today firmly rejected an effort to abolish the armed forces.

In a nationwide vote, one of several each year in which citizens decide many of the country's most pressing issues, Swiss voters also rebuffed a measure to impose a tax on capital gains. The vote leaves Switzerland and Greece the only two European countries that do not impose such a levy.

Only about 22 percent of voters favored ending the army. Voters also rejected a companion initiative to create a voluntary civilian peace corps.

This was the second time in 12 years that voters have been asked to decide whether to abolish the citizen army, in which nearly all the country's able-bodied men serve. The army has enjoyed a near mythic status as the invincible force that protected Switzerland from invasion.

A coalition called Switzerland Without an Army, which collected the required 100,000 signatures to bring about a vote, contends that since the end of the cold war, the justification for Swiss forces as a bulwark against invasion has disappeared. The landlocked country is surrounded by friendly nations and faces no threat, the group says.

The government had urged voters to reject the initiative.

Although the campaign was low- key, it is likely that the events of Sept. 11 shaped the outcome.

Since then, Switzerland has undergone a series of catastrophes — its worst mass killing, the abrupt bankruptcy of its national air carrier, a severe accident in a major Alpine tunnel and a serious airliner crash. Those events have put people on edge and have apparently stiffened resistance to making changes, especially one that would have ended one of Switzerland's most cherished institutions.

The army is viewed not only as a social leveler but also as a means of unifying a country with three cultures and four languages.

A similar proposal in 1989 to jettison Switzerland's armed force garnered support from a third of those voting, prompting an overhaul of the army, which is still under way. The current force of about 350,000 soldiers, mostly reservists, is being reduced by almost half.

While Switzerland is officially neutral, it contributes troops to peacekeeping missions.

A truer test of Swiss sentiment on the country's place in the world will occur in March when voters decide whether to join the United Nations. While the Swiss provide troops to certain United Nations missions, like the one in Kosovo, and the organization's European headquarters is in Geneva, Switzerland has never joined the organization.

The capital gains tax, which had been favored by trade unions, was opposed by the government and by businesses. They contended that such a tax would amount to double taxation because Switzerland already has a wealth tax.

Voters, however, agreed to another government-endorsed measure — to put a ceiling on state debt, requiring the government to amass surpluses in boom years to offset deficits in leaner years.

2 posted on 12/03/2001 4:55:12 PM PST by t-shirt
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Voters reject move to end armed forces

Items compiled from Chicago Tribune news services

Published December 3, 2001

GENEVA, SWITZERLAND -- Swiss voters Sunday overwhelmingly rejected a proposal to scrap the armed forces, cherished by many as vital protection for the small, long-neutral Alpine country in the heart of Europe.

Only 384,991 people, or 21.9 percent of those participating, voted in favor of the initiative.

The proposal was put forward by a coalition called Switzerland Without an Army under a law that allows anyone to force a referendum by collecting 100,000 signatures from voters.

"The lack of security following the Sept. 11 attacks made it difficult to conduct a reasoned discussion of defense policy," said Jo Lang, spokesman for the coalition.

3 posted on 12/03/2001 4:56:40 PM PST by t-shirt
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Some 78 per cent of Swiss voters disagreed, also rejecting a second initiative by the group to establish a voluntary civilian peace corps aimed at defusing violence at home and abroad.

Nice to see that there are others in the world that don't particularly care for tyranny.

4 posted on 12/03/2001 4:57:55 PM PST by Centurion2000
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Cool.
6 posted on 12/03/2001 4:58:31 PM PST by billybudd
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They want to hang on to their weapons in case someone tries to force the Euro on them.
7 posted on 12/03/2001 5:01:48 PM PST by breakem
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It seems the Swiss are voting for another 500 years of independence and freedom!
8 posted on 12/03/2001 5:03:10 PM PST by Gritty
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"The lack of security following the Sept. 11 attacks made it difficult to conduct a reasoned discussion of defense policy,"...

The Sept. 11 attacks blew their position out of the water so, lacking anything of merit to say, they went ballistic and shouted and screamed. Most of Switzerland just watched and shook their heads.

9 posted on 12/03/2001 5:06:04 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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"The lack of security following the Sept. 11 attacks made it difficult to conduct a reasoned discussion of defense policy," said Jo Lang, spokesman for the coalition.

On the contrary; the events of 9/11 reinforced the necessity of an armed citizenry. Leftists are so twisted sometimes.

10 posted on 12/03/2001 5:06:39 PM PST by meyer
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There is no logic for these anti-gun, anti-militia groups to keep bringing these issues up, unless there is an underlying and very destructive reason. When you check into the background of any of them I bet you find globalist marxists, like the instigator of the MMM's.
11 posted on 12/03/2001 5:08:21 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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Good for them.
12 posted on 12/03/2001 5:09:37 PM PST by vladog
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Lets see... 12 years ago it was 36% for, 64% against.

Now, 12 years later, its 22% for, 78% against.

And they want to keep trying?!!! I predict it will be 8% for, and 92% against, 12 years from now.

Whats the term for doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different result?

14 posted on 12/03/2001 5:16:32 PM PST by Frohickey
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the country does not face any military threat.

It never seems to occur to the "Switzerland Without An Army group" idiots just exactly why that is, does it?

I'll ask again: What is it about otherwise intelligent utopians that make them so paralyzingly stupid?

15 posted on 12/03/2001 5:17:56 PM PST by Marauder
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Whats the term for doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different result?

A liberal?

16 posted on 12/03/2001 5:25:53 PM PST by JenB
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Do they have Elk in Switzerland? It ma be time to move...
17 posted on 12/03/2001 5:27:31 PM PST by MileHi
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1989: 34% yes. 2001: 22% yes. I like this trend!
18 posted on 12/03/2001 5:34:05 PM PST by N00dleN0gg1n
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Yes, but the cliche that I've heard is that this is the definition of insanity. Oh, wait, you said that. Sorry, my mistake.
19 posted on 12/03/2001 5:34:11 PM PST by absalom01
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Thanks for the bump. The people foil the elitist do-gooders!! Long live the people.
20 posted on 12/03/2001 5:38:14 PM PST by copycat
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