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1 posted on 12/02/2001 8:13:07 AM PST by OKCSubmariner
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2 posted on 12/02/2001 8:14:23 AM PST by OKCSubmariner
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9 posted on 12/02/2001 8:26:37 AM PST by OKCSubmariner
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This is all consistent with smaller government and states rights... This is actually good news. I feel safer knowing President Bush is our supreme leader and his secret police is watching you.
For too long Americans have had the notion of living secure in their homes and property. The radical ideal that people can assemble in person or electronically without government intrusion is a thing of the past. These are new times and call for new measures to keep our global enterprises running.
15 posted on 12/02/2001 9:24:05 AM PST by Paul_E_Ester
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would build upon and expand new intelligence-gathering powers that were granted to the FBI and the CIA under the U.S.A. Patriot Act. Signed into law Oct. 26, that anti-terrorism bill laid the foundation for a larger and more powerful domestic intelligence-gathering system.

Yet our borders and immigration policies remain a national disgrace and now a total national security nightmare. If we are truly concerned about national security we will end this insane, immigration "free for all".

34 posted on 12/02/2001 11:56:33 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: OKCSubmariner
Janet Ashcroft wants more.

Bastard.

35 posted on 12/02/2001 11:58:52 AM PST by Dan from Michigan
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47 posted on 12/02/2001 4:28:27 PM PST by OKCSubmariner
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The government was and is running around yelling "We didnt have the tools" all while they had FISA and the FISC and did have the tools.

In the Patriot Act the government has amendments to this Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 and to the Nation Security Act of 1947.

The Partiot Act NOW INCLUDES Citizens in some of the amendments to these Acts.

Here is a great article about the FISC

Inside America's Secret Court: The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court

by Patrick S. Poole

Introduction

In a highly restricted room inside the Department of Justice Building in Washington D.C. resides a federal court that meets in complete secrecy. Even though the rulings this secret court issues may result in criminal charges, convictions and prison sentences for US citizens, their writs and rulings are permanently sealed from review by those accused of crimes and from any substantive civilian review. This is the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), which considers surveillance and physical search orders from the Department of Justice and US intelligence agencies. During the 20-year tenure of the FISC the court has received over 10,000 applications for covert surveillance and physical searches. To date, not a single application has been denied.

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA)<1>  was passed in 1978, during the days of increased terrorist activity against American citizens around the world. The Cold War and American involvement in the Middle East raised fears both about increased spying on US government, military and business facilities and personnel and about terrorists planning attacks in the US and against Americans overseas. In this atmosphere, federal law enforcement and intelligence administrators requested Congress to increase surveillance powers to combat these growing trends. The FISA statute was also a regulative response to the allegations of domestic spying by federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies during the 1960s and 70s.

However, with the FISA legislation passed, the process was cloaked in absolute secrecy. While few Americans are even aware of the court's existence, the FISC routinely hears applications for surveillance and physical searches from federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies.  The FISA court issues more surveillance and physical search orders than the entire federal judiciary combined.

Many constitutional scholars and civil liberty advocates note that the overly broad powers of the FISA statute and court authority are in direct violation of the Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches and general warrants. With such a powerful weapon against citizens' Constitutional liberties, many opponents of the court argue that Congress should conduct extensive oversight of the court. But congressional oversight of the FISA court is virtually non-existent.

The only information required by FISA to be provided to congressional oversight committees is the number of surveillance orders approved each calendar year and brief semi-annual reports. The entire 1997 report on the FISC's activity totaled two paragraphs. But what those brief annual reports do chronicle is the exponential rate of growth of surveillance orders issued by the FISC.

Recent criminal cases proceeding from evidence gathered by FISA surveillance orders have raised many questions regarding the constitutionality of FISA searches and surveillance and the assumption of enormous powers by federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies. Defense attorneys for those charged for crimes with evidence gathered under a FISA order maintain that the FISA court stands as a "court of last resort" for zealous prosecutors unable to obtain a criminal indictment from other federal courts.  Some of the orders approved by the FISC have proven to be government "fishing expeditions" aimed at circumventing citizen's Fourth Amendment protections against unwarranted searches.

Origins of the Court

With the collapse of the Nixon Administration following the Watergate scandal, the Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities (otherwise known as the Church Committee) discovered that the federal government had been engaged in widespread domestic surveillance for several decades.

In response, several members of Congress set about to devise a plan to limit the surveillance power of federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies. In the wake of the subsequent public outrage and out of fear warrantless surveillance would be outlawed altogether, President Ford supported the FISA bill to limit the "inherent authority" of the President to conduct warrantless surveillance in the interest of national security.

Prior to that time, most presidents claimed to have implicit constitutional authority to approve warrantless surveillance for national security purposes under the executive branch's Constitutional power to conduct foreign policy. But that power had been used by government agencies to justify domestic spying against law-abiding anti-war demonstrators and many of the leaders of the civil rights movement of the late 1960s despite First and Fourth Amendment protections prohibiting such activity.

The FISA bill was a product of closed-door negotiations lasting several months between legislators and the Justice Department. Senator Edward Kennedy (D-MA), who had attempted to regulate the power of warrantless surveillance in four different sessions, sponsored the FISA legislation.

The FISC concept was a compromise between legislators who wanted the FBI and National Security Agency (NSA), the only two agencies affected by the FISA statute, to follow the standard procedure for obtaining a court order required in criminal investigations and legislators. The federal agencies believed that they should be completely unfettered in conducting their foreign intelligence surveillance work inside US borders. Hence, the FISC was born.<2> FISA was approved by Congress and signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on October 25, 1978. Executive Order 12139,<3>  signed by President Carter several months later, officially chartered the FISC. The legislation established an authorization procedure for the FISC to issue surveillance orders without probable cause. It also set up a "minimization" procedure for communications by US citizens inadvertently intercepted by the agencies. With the passage of FISA, the NSA was bound for the first time to a process of judicial review before initiating domestic surveillance operations.

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58 posted on 12/04/2001 7:26:06 AM PST by Native American Female Vet
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Can't waite for the military to be on every street corner.
73 posted on 12/04/2001 6:11:21 PM PST by AMMON-CENTRIST
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...FISA [agents who's use of wiretaps use] needs only probable cause that the target is working on behalf of the foreign power or terrorist....

My understand is that this "broader surveillance" applies as long as it is "foreign" entities or an associate with thereof.

Or is that necessarily a bad thing?

77 posted on 12/06/2001 7:07:55 PM PST by F16Fighter
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