Bush Team Seeks Broader Surveillance Powers

Washinton Post ^ | Sunday, December 2, 2001 | Jim McGee

[OKCSubmariner]

The Bush administration is asking Congress for a second major expansion of federal surveillance powers that legal experts say would radically change laws that have long protected the rights of Americans.

A Justice Department proposal would eliminate the chief legal safeguard in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). A CIA proposal seeks legal authority to gather telephone and Internet records from domestic communication companies.

[Roscoe]

We're watching the beginning of the Fourth Reich...

Hysteria.

[OKCSubmariner]

Native American Female Vet-thank you very much for the article on FISA.

[prambo]

I can't believe you opened your mouth to say that, boy.

I sincerely suggest you watch your fat mouth, especially with the "grown up" rubbish.

You don't know a GD thing about me, including my personal history vis-a-vis what I've given this country, let alone my Father and other relatives.

I'm getting sick of you fat mouths thinking you can just BS everyone and then win by insulting everyone.

If you want to believe everything is honky-dorey, go for it - I've paid my dues - HAVE YOU??

Suggestion - watch CAREFULLY before you open your mouth again.

prambo

[prambo]

That was a headline in a lot of Weimar papers as I remember.

HYSTERIA????!!!

Get a grip on yourself!!! Someone disagrees with you and they're hysterical??? - you belong at DU, not FR.

prambo

[Native American Female Vet]

You are very welcome :-)

[Roscoe]

HYSTERIA????!!!

Yep.

[Uncle Bill]

First question: Was this war planned "before" the World Trade Center terrorist act?

Answer:

• It's been three years since http://commdocs.house.gov/comm ittees/intlrel/hfa48119.000/hf a48119_0f.htm Congress discussed removing the government of Afghanistan to make way for an oil pipeline.

• Nine months since http://www.janes.com/security/ international_security/news/ji r/jir010315_1_n.shtml Jane's Defense got word of the planned invasion of Afghanistan.

• Five months since http://www.indiareacts.com/arc hivefeatures/nat2.asp?recno=10 ∓ctg=policy the US Government told India there would be an invasion of Afghanistan in October.

• Four months since http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/engli sh/world/south_asia/newsid_155 0000/1550366.stm BBC heard about the planned invasion of Afghanistan.

  ..

  "Help is on the way."

[Glenn]

One must have extraordinary powers to rid the world of evil-doers.

Bunk. What you need are good old-fashioned guts. If we would kill these people so they cannot harm us again, we won't have to wiretap them. I'm sick of people who are suggesting that in order to live safer we must live less free because anything else in not politically acceptable in this "new world".

[Uncle Bill]

Stuff Happens

[rdavis84]

"Help is on the way."

One of the most  hilarious quotes from the Three Stooges that I remember. (Rummy, Jr., Cheeney)

[rdavis84]

From your link, by NDCORUP(RIP) -----

The Medusa File ----

"The "Medusa File" is a documentary of Governments (including our own) gone amok! It's easy enough to picture the governments of our enemies experimenting on our POWs (well documented in this blockbuster), but how about our own government conducting experiments on American GIs and civilians, some of whom were not even volunteers? How about the mind control experiments (MK/ULTRA) that grew out of an effort to understand the Communist Chinese brainwashing activities in Korea? We are still living with LSD and PCP... both concocted by the CIA in an effort to create the perfect warrior!

Efforts in genetic engineering grew out of some of these efforts, and the fine art of the lobotomy was taken to new heights? Why would we have knowingly left 30,000 of our own POWs in the hands of the communists as an aftermath of three wars (yes we left some of our people in the hands of the Russians after WWII and they were supposedly our friends at that time!)? Would you like to know what happened to Pan Am flt. 103 and TWA flt. 800? Read on... What prompted the Oklahoma Bombing, and who was really responsible (if you guessed the Militias and Timothy McVeigh, guess again!)? Read the story of the Oklahoma Bombing by one of the officers assigned to the investigation... and wonder! See if you can figure out why the cover-up and by who... If you subscribe to the "accidental theory" of history, be prepared to be shaken to the bottom of your shoes! Craig's usual publishers absolutely refused to put this one on the presses... Inferred retaliation (to the publishing companies) by undisclosed sources was hinted at, but some of the more sympathetic individuals felt that the information was so important that it must be published... but that it would have to be done by someone else. Hence we now have "Consolidated Press International"... and America still survives, the rest is literally up to you!"

[AMMON-CENTRIST]

Can't waite for the military to be on every street corner.

[rdavis84]

India and TEG/AKAL Security. FBI Operatives on site rumors. FBI Complicity. OKC didn't work well enough, (all charges didn't go off) or it was a warm up event for WTC.

[F16Fighter]

...FISA [agents who's use of wiretaps use] needs only probable cause that the target is working on behalf of the foreign power or terrorist....

My understand is that this "broader surveillance" applies as long as it is "foreign" entities or an associate with thereof.

Or is that necessarily a bad thing?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for sharing your concerns!

[roughrider]

I am afraid the new surveillance authority will wind up doing what federalizing airport security has done so far. Earlier this week, airline flight attendants had to file complaints about "security personnel" getting, well, AGGRESSIVE in checking out the uniformed female airline personnel for "weapons." According to the complaints of these women, none of whom look anything like Muslim killers, "security professionals" take great pains to "pat them down," and "rub their bodies" with metal detector wands. When the women object, they get the bully-boy treatment and threatened with the new anti-terrorist provisions in the law. Some have been surrounded by National Guardsmen and threatened with "strip searches" if they complain. If the airport measures are any indicator, the new powers will be used on everyone BUT Muslim killers, and the Muslim killers will simply kill again, which will be the excuse for even more insanity until the American people FINALLY get mad. When they emphatically make it known that it is fruitless to tyrannize and oppress AMERICANS, and anyone who tries will pay for it, I think all the attacks by Muslim killers will end, as there will no longer be any incentive for them as the resulting attempts to tyrannize and oppress will be met with emphatic opposition from the people.