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To: mlo; Wallaby; Uncle Bill; Nancie Drew; roughrider; BlueDogDemo; golitely; archy; aristeides...
OKC resident and witness John Morris Kuper testified at the Nickles trial that McVeigh and a John Doe (we now have identified the John Doe through other photos) walked directly in front of surveillance cameras (which the FBI confiscated) at the public library and the SW Bell telephone company in OKC. The US prosecutor Pat Ryan called him a liar but later Ryan publicly admitted in May taht he had made a mistake when the lost and then found FBI 302 interview reports revealed that Kuper had told the truth. Ashcroft refused to act on this revelation. This was reported on FR and in the Daily Oklahoman.

Attorney General Reno office wrote a letter to OK state Rep Charles Key in 1996 acknowledging that the DOJ had a copy of the tape showing the explosion but cited Judge Matsch gag order as the reason for not releasing the tape. I have read the letter to Key.

BlueDogDemo(former OKC PD) who worked for Naval intelligence and for the state department at the bomb scene with the FBI is helping OKC attorney Mike Johnson to get release of the tapes from Judge Matsch but so far Ashcroft has blocked the tapes release. Johnson was on the Alex Jones show last nmoth describing the tapes and what is on them. This was reported on the FR in a WND article.

73 posted on 12/01/2001 10:51:39 PM PST by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner; BlueDogDemo; golitely
BlueDogDemo(former OKC PD) who worked for Naval intelligence and for the state department at the bomb scene with the FBI is helping OKC attorney Mike Johnson to get release of the tapes from Judge Matsch but so far Ashcroft has blocked the tapes release. Johnson was on the Alex Jones show last nmoth describing the tapes and what is on them. This was reported on the FR in a WND article.

I don't recall reading anything on OKC attornery, Mike Johnson's comments describing the tapes and what is on them.

what is on them?

or, where could I find a link to that Alex Jones interview..or a transcript of the show?

124 posted on 12/02/2001 6:33:39 AM PST by thinden
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To: OKCSubmariner
The fact is, a lot of things get "reported" on FR and WND. Some of them are even true. I've asked in the past about how we know about the videos and despite a whole boatload of vitriol directed at me for asking this simple question, the sources that were offered didn't actually say what was claimed. So I'm asking again.

FWIW, I don't reject the idea that McVeigh had other help, but I do have reasonable standards of evidence, and I will question or disagree with deductions based on poor evidence.

OKC resident and witness John Morris Kuper testified at the Nickles trial that McVeigh and a John Doe (we now have identified the John Doe through other photos) walked directly in front of surveillance cameras (which the FBI confiscated) at the public library and the SW Bell telephone company in OKC. The US prosecutor Pat Ryan called him a liar but later Ryan publicly admitted in May taht he had made a mistake when the lost and then found FBI 302 interview reports revealed that Kuper had told the truth. Ashcroft refused to act on this revelation. This was reported on FR and in the Daily Oklahoman.

I believe you are misstating this incident. If this is the same one I recall, Kuper did report seeing McVeigh with someone else. Ryan said Kuper didn't report it at the time, then later found out that he had and corrected himself. The issue was whether the witness had reported his claim early on or not. The issue was not whether he was lying about the video, which is how you've portrayed this.

Attorney General Reno office wrote a letter to OK state Rep Charles Key in 1996 acknowledging that the DOJ had a copy of the tape showing the explosion but cited Judge Matsch gag order as the reason for not releasing the tape. I have read the letter to Key.

Sounds good. Is the gag order still in effect?

BlueDogDemo(former OKC PD) who worked for Naval intelligence and for the state department at the bomb scene with the FBI is helping OKC attorney Mike Johnson to get release of the tapes from Judge Matsch but so far Ashcroft has blocked the tapes release. Johnson was on the Alex Jones show last nmoth describing the tapes and what is on them. This was reported on the FR in a WND article.

Has Johnson seen them? After all, there are people here reporting what is on them that have never seen them.

135 posted on 12/02/2001 8:38:57 AM PST by mlo
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