[jennyp]

Actually, that's completely false. THe God-necessary-for-morals argument is easily demolished. It may take actual thinking to construct rights and morals without a god, but that doesn't mean it's not an effort worth undertaking.

You know what's ironic? Even a moral code that depends on believing in God takes mental effort to construct & to implement it properly in one's day-to-day life! IOW, a person can apply it in a self-serving, spur of the moment way, or in a reasoned, objective way. Having God at the center of one's moral code is no guarantee that it'll turn out good for human life. Witness the Taliban.

[Skywalk]

The Taliban or, I don't know, most of human history :)

Another from the great state of Washington, my new home. You from Seattle?