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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: Clinton's a liar
The caveat: stop being so self-absorbed and make an effort to think beyond your pride.

OK, I'll try. But let me explain how I consider my own occasional dissent, especially regarding what sort of information is deemed unpostable on this forum. When I offer it, it is never in the spirit of "Jim Rob must do it my way or else." I know this is Jim Rob's site and he is free to do with it what he pleases. It's always been thus. When I offer up an occasional dissent, it is simply to be heard and noted. Jim Rob is absolutely free to reject it and run his forum as he sees fit. What is galling is to be banned merely for expessing one's opinion honestly. Whether Jim Rob (or anyone) agrees with my opinion I care not one whit. They are free to have their own opinions and I respect that. But so to am I free to have mine and I would like that fact to be respected as well. That's really all I've really ever wanted, for me, and for every FReeper.

This website is what it is. No one controls what happens here. Not you, not the moderators, no one. The content, in its voluminous nature, is controlled by the people who post here. If they stop posting, this website dies. If they stop contributing, this website dies. It's something more profound than you or me or Jim Robinson or the moderators. None of us, separately, can begin to replace the heart and soul of this website: the participants.

I agree with you 1000%, which is why it grieved me so to see so many great participants, your friends and mine, routinely cast into oblivion for nothing more than expressing their unique perspective on politics, or failing to conform to the prevailing officially approved group-think of the moment.

If you'll stop your I, me, mine bandwagon, not only will I forgive you (which means nothing in the big picture) but you'll never again be threatened by banishment.

Well, I never considered it only about I and me. There were far bigger issues at stake, like the heart and soul of this website as you so ably described it above. And as far as gaining an immunity from banishment, I don't really want that either. If I violate Jim Rob's original posting rules [no racism, no personal attacks (and hopefully mere expressions of political disagreement will not be regarded as personal attacks!), no spam, etc.], I will deserve to be banished and ought to be banished. I would only ask that I (or anyone) not be banished for expressing an honest opinion about politics or even about the way this forum is administered. After all, it's just one man's opinion. It has no power beyond the force of its persuasiveness, and everyone, as always, is absolutely free to be persuaded by it or not, and that includes Jim Rob. It's his site, and he has every right to run it as he pleases.

2,661 posted on 11/30/2001 10:11:01 PM PST by Arator
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To: Clinton's a liar
Apology accepted, Arator. With a caveat, however. We are all fleeting on this planet. What you do with your time here is between you and your Maker.

This is so surreal. While I was reading your comments I was watching Tomb Raider (a Paramount production I might add!) and they were talking about all this clock of ages stuff. Well you get the picture.

Beware the vortex! It'll suck you in and make you watch PBS, I've heard.

2,662 posted on 11/30/2001 10:15:49 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: LarryLied
With all due respect, I really don't understand what you mean. You say that you're just here to read. Do you mean that anything not pertaining to news or political issues is irrelevant, or that people cannot persuade you to stop wishing this site well, both, neither, or what?

I hope you'll take the time to answer.

2,663 posted on 11/30/2001 10:18:59 PM PST by unsycophant
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To: Jim Robinson
Anyone who doesn't like it should quit whining and not let the door hit them on the behind on their way OUT. You are doing a great job, and as long as you and your loyal volunteers are willing to serve the people, FReepers will come and be grateful for your efforts, and hopefully make contributions to help you keep going. Thanks for all you do.
2,664 posted on 11/30/2001 10:31:17 PM PST by drANN!
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To: Clarity
Look at all that saturated fat. Eww
2,665 posted on 11/30/2001 10:32:14 PM PST by John Robinson
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To: SamAdams76
Great post Sam, and I was ashamed to say I never donated before today, but read this site at least 3 times a week. That has now changed. I am now a regular monthly contributor.

Something you should note....I've rarely posted, but have elected to simply read and enjoy the many thoughful articles and comments. So, there may be many more lurkers then you think.

The next two years will be the defining life or death time for many dot-com web-sites. Can this model succeed and flourish when thousands of others will be going bankrupt? I believe it can, because the model is sound, and the dedication of Jim Robinson and fellow freepers is tremendous.

But let's not just survive, let's flourish, grow and take on many other endeavors via the internet! Take Care, Mike

2,666 posted on 11/30/2001 10:42:15 PM PST by planesman
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To: Silly
Excellent points. The brilliance of JimRob's running of FR is that of all the posters on FR I'm aware of that got banned, you're the only one about whom I thought "Really! That's too bad." All the others, "addition by subtraction." JMO - but I'm probably not wrong.
2,667 posted on 11/30/2001 10:42:47 PM PST by 185JHP
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To: Torie
We have a lot of deflection of energy being expiated here. I suppose that is inevitable in a village such as this. Frailty thy name is human. Of course to enter the theatre of the absurd it would have been better if I had been in charge, as perhaps to the things that went wrong, but then how much wouldn't have gone right that did go right if I had the whip hand? Yep, the loss on the asset side of the ledger would have swamped it all no doubt. We can all keep striving for perfection, but even if we are most lucky and talented indeed, it is but an asymptotical function.

There are far too many multi-syllabic words in this paragraph to digest in one sitting. LOL. Could you translate this into layman's terms, please? ;^)

2,668 posted on 11/30/2001 10:51:16 PM PST by Arator
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To: TKEman
Our asking for accountability is really no different than what you and others here asked of President Clinton.

Since you appeared to miss the obvious: had Bill clinton been just an average guy with his own web site, no one would care, or need to care, about his behavior. Accountability would be between him and his maker, and his ISP.

But here's the difference: Bill Clinton was an elected official, the head law enforcer of the United States- not Joe Sixpack of Peoria, Illinois.

When you ask for 'accountability,' you have a right to demand answers from elected officials and government employees, but you have no reason to expect to be informed of your neighbor's business, nor the financial, political, legal, or personal background of any citizen you feel like harassing.

Posting here is a privilege- it does not imply that you are entitled to anything.

2,669 posted on 11/30/2001 10:54:41 PM PST by piasa
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To: Jim Robinson
Should FR go away? FR as such has a reason to exist, I suppose. In the state it is now? A resounding "hell no." It used to be insightful. Now it's a bunch of male cheerleaders who have nothing better to say than "WARING! LP SPAM! PRO HOMOSEXUALITY! ANTI BUSH!" I mean, seriously people. It's pretty pathetic when people have nothing logical to say than ad hominem "debates." It makes you seem like utter fools. Male cheerleaders who can't think of anything other than "Go Bush Go!" to say. And, of course, anyone who criticises the actions of Mr. Bush is anti American, because our Republican leader must be right. I don't know. It's just makes a lot of people look like utter fools. Is it too far removed from the truth? Somehow I doubt it.
2,670 posted on 11/30/2001 10:54:58 PM PST by Freeman Patrick Henry
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To: Arator
No, the post sucked. Let it die. I think what I was trying to say, and quite poorly, is that as a lawyer I could have avoided some trouble, and I tolerate more disagreement in the public square than some (indeed this place needs some intelligent liberals IMO), but who in the hell would want a neocon running this place anyway? LOL.
2,671 posted on 11/30/2001 10:56:03 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
and I tolerate more disagreement in the public square than some (indeed this place needs some intelligent liberals IMO), but who in the hell would want a neocon running this place anyway? LOL.

Hey, you're one Neo-con I'd nominate as host, exactly because you do and would tolerate, even embrace disagreement. And I agree with you, having some intelligent liberals here to wrestle with would be fun. We might even be surprised at the common ground we might discover once we peel away the meaningless partisan labels (like anti-globalism, anti-interventionism, etc.). Of course, I'm speaking from a Paleo perspective. LOL.

2,672 posted on 11/30/2001 11:04:09 PM PST by Arator
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To: Arator
Arator, are you refering to the so-called Old-Right? If so, I would be forced to use the descriptor Old Left--for I am. A classical liberal, that is.
2,673 posted on 11/30/2001 11:07:18 PM PST by Freeman Patrick Henry
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To: Freeman Patrick Henry
Speaking of people being banned, has anyone seen Alan Chapman?
2,674 posted on 11/30/2001 11:07:43 PM PST by Freeman Patrick Henry
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To: Freeman Patrick Henry
I've seen him but not around here.
2,675 posted on 11/30/2001 11:14:52 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: nunya bidness
Is he banned?
2,676 posted on 11/30/2001 11:15:13 PM PST by Freeman Patrick Henry
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To: Freeman Patrick Henry
Arator, are you refering to the so-called Old-Right? If so, I would be forced to use the descriptor Old Left--for I am. A classical liberal, that is.

Yes, I think the term Paleo-con is equivalent to Old-Right. As for the Old-Left/classical liberals, they are so close to the Old-Right in many respects as to be almost indistinguishable. That great classical liberal, Murry Rothbard, for example, was virtually sympatico with and supported the candidacy of Paleo-con Pat Buchanan before he died.

2,677 posted on 11/30/2001 11:17:24 PM PST by Arator
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To: Freeman Patrick Henry
Maybe he quit because of the cogency and intensity of my argumentation against his ideas when we briefly crossed paths. After that he was rarely seen. But I highly suspect I'm being delusional. :)
2,678 posted on 11/30/2001 11:18:52 PM PST by Torie
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To: Arator
I'm more of a Jefferson or Rand type old leftist. It's sort of capitalism (capitalism is a word like conservative, n'est pas? it really means anything and nothing) applied to politics, if you catch my meaning.
2,679 posted on 11/30/2001 11:21:44 PM PST by Freeman Patrick Henry
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To: Torie
Maybe he quit because of the cogency and intensity of my argumentation against his ideas when we briefly crossed paths. After that he was rarely seen. But I highly suspect I'm being delusional. :)

Kind of like the cogency and intensity of your post above? ;^)

Maybe you just left him bewildered, and he wondered off completely confused. LOL.

2,680 posted on 11/30/2001 11:22:49 PM PST by Arator
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