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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Thanks for looking it over. I assume you are a licensed Professional Engineer with your PE designation in your FR name. I am also a licensed P.E.

I was impressed by your fraud analysis last year at this time regarding the goron attempt to take the election in Florida, so I thought you would make a good reviewer of this logic.

OBL hasn't revealed himself at all since immediately after the attacks. There is the strong scent of propaganda on both sides of this war, but I think ours is for offense, and the OBL/Taliban propaganda is for defense.

If he is still alive, he sure isn't making any use of his time and opportunities. I'll bet his cell phone needs recharging too, but the caves don't have any outlets. Such luck.

53 posted on 11/29/2001 5:44:39 PM PST by HighWheeler
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To: HighWheeler
It's troubling that I can't offer more than speculation, but here goes:

OBL heads a loose (highly financed, but "unofficial") group of what can only be called "outlaws" - in the truest sense of the word. These are fanatics, highly dedicated - but in different ways.

At least SOME are highly dedicated!
Some will be opportunists who will encourage and demand OTHERS fight forever, but will NEVER choose to die themselves;
Some will be quitters (but who are afraid to quit since they are isolated in Afghanistan - thus they will fight to defend themselves against the Northern Alliance and US)
Some are already wavering (ready to quit as soon as they can sneak out of the cave without themselves getting shot in the back),
And some are so consumed by zealotry that they (like the Japanese in WWII) can only be stopped by death.

So, how does OBL control and remain the military and political and "spiritual leader" of these different people if HE is ONLY seen as a sneaking, timid, cave-dwelling coward who can no longer "influence events" ..... ?

Was OBL himself the actual (physical and military) leader that he is made out to be?

Either he remains in "control" by pure force - not likely, since his "force" is only as effective as his body guard's rifle shot - or he never really had control (only money!) in the first place. Not likely, since if his forces are spearated into different caves, he can't "control" otehr caves and little broken networks of isolated, not-paid, part-time militia.

If it was money, then money can't "buy" this kind of fervor and dedication.

If it were "religion" (hatred of the west and Israel) as the burning flame (the ultimate reason) for these outlaws' CONTINUING will-to-fight (which is the REAL ENEMY that we face!) then .... death of the ultimate extremist leaders is the only thing that will work.

Something else is at work here: OBL (if what are told is correct) isn't in command of any large group of organized militarized "army" any more.....or he is such a religion unto himself that the Taliban is willing to die BECAUSE of him..... Not reasonable either.

Example: If in WWII, we killed Hitler - but DID NOT physically take ovver Germany, the military would keep in control of the country, and the Jewish extermination would as long as Goebbeals, Himmler, and the SS remained in charge of the camps. Goering and Spear Donitz and the other generals could keep the "nation" running as a Nazi empire.

But, if the extremist Nazi leaders (in the SS nad elsewhere were killed) that are the soul and emotion and continued pressure behind the Nazi "religion" of murder, then the army and navy would surrender when faced with military defeat.

Military forces can be defeated. Religious fanatics cannot be defeated except by isolation and death.

54 posted on 11/30/2001 7:49:59 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE
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To: HighWheeler
bump for a beautiful round two opinion.

If Osama is dead, I don't want the world to know abouit it. Reminds me of an old Hanes TV ad: Osama doesn't say "uncle" until I say Osama says "uncle"

56 posted on 12/03/2001 7:47:09 PM PST by moodyskeptic
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