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"So you think money is the root of all evil?"
'Atlas Shrugged' | 1957 | Ayn Rand

Posted on 11/27/2001 4:25:49 PM PST by Orion78

said Francisco d' Anconia. "Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the prinicple that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?

When you accept money in payment for your effort, you do so only on the conviction that you will exchange it for the product of the effort of others. It is not the moochers or the looters who give value to money. Not an ocean of tears nor all the guns in the world can transform those pieces of paper in your wallet into the bread you will need to survive tommorow. Those pieces of paper, which should have been gold, are a token of honor - your claim upon the energy of the men who produce. Your wallet is your statement of hope that somewhere in the world around you there are men who will not default on the moral principle which is the root of money. Is this what you consider evil?

Have you ever looked for the root of production? Take a look at an electric generator and dare tell yourself that it was created by the muscular effort of unthinking brutes. Try to grow a seed of wheat without the knowledge left to you by men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by mean of nothing but physical motions - and you'll learn that man's mind is the root of all goods produced and of all wealth that has ever existed on earth.

But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strenght do you mean? It is not the strenght of guns or muscle. Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think. Then is money made by a man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made - before it can be looted or mooched - made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can't consume more than he has produced.

To trade by means of money is the code of the men of good will. Money rests on the axiom that every man is the owner of his mind and his effort. Money allows no power to prescribe the value of your effort except the voluntary choice of the man who is willing to trade you his effort in return. Money premits you to obtain for your goods and your labor that which they are worth to the men who buy them, but no more. Money permits no deals except those to mutual benefit by the unforced judgment of the traders. Money demands of you the recognition that men must work for their own benefit, not for their own injury, for their gain, not their loss - the recognition that they are not beasts of burden, born to carry the weight of your misery - that you must offer them values, not wounds - that the common bond among men is not the exchange of suffering, but the exchange of goods. Money demands that you sell, not your weakness to men's stupidity, but your talent to their reason; it demands that you buy, not the shoddiest they offer, but the best that your money can find. And when men live by trade - with reason, not force, as their final arbiter - it is the best product that wins, the best preformance, the man of best judgment and hightest ability - and the degree of a man's productiveness is the degree of his reward. The is the code of existance whose tool and symbol is money. Is this what you consider evil?

But money is only a tool. It will take you wherever you wish, but it will not replace you as a driver. It will give you the means for the satisfaction of your desires, but it will not provide you with desires. Money is the scourge of the men who attempt to reverse the law of causality - the men who seek to replace the mind by seizing the products of the mind.

Money will not purchase happiness for the man who has no concept of what he wants: money will not give him a code of values, if he's evaded the knowledge of what to value, and it will not provide him with a purpose, if he's evaded the choice of what to seek. Money will not buy intelligence for the fool, or admiration for the coward, or respect for the incompetent. The man who attempts to purchase the brain of his superiors to serve him, with his money replacing his judgment, ends up becoming the victim of his inferiors. The men of intelligence desert him, but the cheats and the frauds come flocking to him, drawn by a law which he has not discovered: that no man may be smaller than his money. Is this the reason why you call it evil?

Only the man who does not need it, is fit to inherit wealth - the man who would make his own fortune no matter where he started. If an heir is equal to his money, it serves him; if not, it destroys him. But you look on and you cry the money corrupted him. Did it? Or did he corrupt his money? Do not envy a worthless heir; his weath is not yours and you would have done no better with it. Do not think that is should have been distributed among you; loading the world with fifty parasites instead of one, would not bring back the dead virtue which was the fortune. Money is a living power that dies without its root. Money will not serve the mind that cannot match it. Is this the reason why you call it evil?

Money is your means of survival. The verdict you pronounce upon the source of your livelihood is the verdict you have pronounced upon your life. If the source is corrupt, you have damned your own existence. Did you get your money by fraud? By pandering to men's vices or men's stupidity? By catering to fools, in the hope of getting more than your ability deserves? By lowering your standards? By doing work you despise for purchasers you scorn? If so, then your money will not give you a moment's or penny's worth of joy. Then all the things you buy will become, not a tribue to you, but a reproach; not an achievement, but a reminder of shame. Then you'll scream that money is evil. Evil, because it would not pinch-hit for your self-respect? Evil because it would not let you enjoy your depravity? Is this the root of your hatred of money?

Money will always remain an effect and refuse to replace you as the cause. Money is the product of virtue, but it will not give you virtue and it will not redeem your vices. Money will not give you the unearned, neither in matter nor in spirit. Is this the root of your hatred of money?

Or did you say it's the love of money that's the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men. It's the person who would sell his soul for a nickle, who is loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money - and he has good reason to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know that are able to deserve it.

Let me give you a tip on a clue to men's characters: the man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it

Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter. So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another - their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun.

But money demands of you the highest virtues, if you wish to make it or keep it. Men who have no courage, pride or self-esteem, men who have no moral sense of their right to their money and are not willing to defend it as they defend their life, men who apologize for being rich - will not remain rich for long. They are the natural bait for the swarms of looters that stay under rocks for centuries, but come crawling out at the first smell of a man who begs to be forgiven for the guilt of owning wealth. They will hasten to relieve him of the guilt - and of his life, as he deserves.

Then you will see the rise of men of the double standard - the men who live by force, yet count on those who live by trade to create the value of their looted money - the men who are hitchhikers of virtue. In a moral society, these are the criminals, and the statutes are written to protect you against them. But when a society establishes criminals-by-right and looters-by-law - men who use force to seize the wealth of disarmed victims - the money becomes its creators' avenger. Such looters believe it safe to rob defenseless men, once they've passed a law to disarm them. But their loot becomes the magnet for other looters, who get it from them as they got it. Then the race goes, not to the ablest at production, but to those most ruthless at brutality. When force is the standard, the murderer wins over the pickpocket. And then that society vanishes, in a spread of ruins and slaughter.

Do you wish to know wether that day is comming? Watch the money. Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion - when you seen that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you - when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - you know that your society is doomed. Money is so noble a medium that it does not compete with guns and it does not make terms with brutality. It will not permit a country to survive as half-property, half-loot.

Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men's protection and the base of moral existance. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it bounces, marked: 'Acount overdrawn.'

When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, 'Who is destroying the world?' You are

You stand in the midst of the greatest achievements of the greatest productive civilization and you wonder why it's crumbling around you, while you're damning its life-blood: money. You look upon money as the savages did before you, and you wonder why the jungle is creeping back to the edges of your cities. Throughout men's history, money was always seized by looters of one brand or another, whose names changed, but whose method remained that same: to seize wealth by force and keep the producers bound, demeaned, defamed, deprived of honor. That phrase about the evil of money, which you mouth with such righteous recklessness, comes from a time when wealth was produced by the labor of slaves - slaves who repeated the motions once discovered by somebody's mind and left unimproved for centuries. So long as production was ruled by force, and wealth was obtained by conquest, there was little to conquer. Yet through all the centuries of stagnation and starvation, men exalted the looters, as aristocrats of the sword, as aristocrats of birth, of aristocrats of the bureau, and despised the producers, as slaves, as traders, as shopkeepers, as industrialists.

To the glory of mankind, there was, for the first and only time in history, a country of money - and I have no higher, more revernt tribute to pay America, for this means: a country of reason, justice, freedom, production, achievement. For the first time, man's mind and money were set free, and there was no fortunes-by-conquest, but only fortunes-by-work, and instead of swordsmen and slaves, there appeared the real maker of wealth, the greatest worker, the highest type of human being - the self-made man - the American industrialist.

If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose -because it contains all the others - the fact that they were the people who created the phrase 'to make money.' No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity - to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. The words 'to make money' hold the essence of human morality.

Yet these were the words for which Americans were denounced by the rotted cultures of the looters' continents. Now the looters' credo has brought you to regard your proudest achievements as a hallmark of shame, your prosperity as guilt, your greatest men, the industrialists, as blackguards, and your magnificent factories as the product and property of muscular labor, the labor of whip-driven slaves, like the pyramids of Egypt. The rotter who simpers that he sees no difference between the power of the dollar and the power of the whip, ought to learn the difference on his own hide - as, I think, he will.

Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for you own destruction. When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become tools of men. Blood, whips and guns - or dollars. Take your choice - there is no other - and your time is running out"


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To: Cool Guy
Bull!

I am as broke as all hell at this point in my life, which should make me a bloody saint.

But you'll probably find at least two dozen people right here on FR that will attest I am evil personified.

Ha!

141 posted on 11/27/2001 11:02:20 PM PST by StoneColdGOP
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To: Orion78
Or did you say it's the love of money that's the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men. It's the person who would sell his soul for a nickle, who is loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money - and he has good reason to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know that are able to deserve it.

Well, she tries to cover all her bases by predicting which questions would be asked. The problem here is that in order to do so she has to redefine what A) Love IS, and B) what love of money, in particular, means. After building this paper tiger it is then knocked down without ever addressing the real issue. She does not understand what the passage of scripture in Timothy, which someone else has quoted above, even means or is getting at. It is dealing with the human condition of greed and selfishness. And, as usual, Ayan Rand is great with circular logic, which is why she turns me off. :O

I am not a purist capitalist, though I am a capitalist. Whether you want to accept it or not, your local Fire Department or Police Department is paid for by your tax dollars. That is socialism (Little "s" if you will) The money of the community (communi- root, get that?) is used to pay for these services. So you could say that for the ability of a society/community to funtion effectively and look out for each other a little socialism is neccesary. (Little "s", is good).

Don't freak out on me now or misunderstand me at all. I am saying there must be a balance in the order of things. When the pendulum swings to far to either the right or left (the conservative or liberal) or to the north or the south (authoritarianism or libertarianism) then things are out of balance and their are violent reactions to correct the balance.

The greed of the corporations during the peak of the industrial revolution is well documented - where di we get the child labor laws? Or would you defend the working conditions imposed upon children by the corporations during that era? The laws that were made to protect children and the laws that were made to stop human abuses, etc. were passed by "liberals" of that era. Though just about everyone who even calls himslef a conservative today would agree that those laws were neccesary (with the exception perhaps by some of the busting up of monopolies?). So where do we find ourselves today? Agreeing with something that back then conservatives opposed and the big corporations opposed.

Why? Why? for "Love" of money, as defined by Rand? Not at all. But by greed of the human heart. It is the evil that man is capable of that must be guarded against. One only need look at the events of September 11 to see that this is so. In the minds of those who carry out inhuman deeds against their fellow man, there is always a justification in the mind of the perpetrator that what he is doing is "right". But that doesn't make it so. Certainly not from the viewpoint of the victim(s). Rand is a humanist and the pure humanism as reflected by many purist capitalists/objectivists that I know or have talked with is as close to the definition of evil-greed as Rand's definition of what is measnt by the scripture in Timothy is NOT.

142 posted on 11/28/2001 12:01:39 AM PST by Ymani Cricket
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To: Ymani Cricket
And again, I'll say it in a nutshell, Rand is refuting "a saying" that is an out of context, often misquoted scripture which makes her argument meaningless and futile (hence - paper tiger to knock down).

By the way, I love to have money to spend and make my life better and be able to pay my bills on time. The issue that Timothy is addressing is covetousness and a condition of the heart. When Rand makes it out as if money or "loving it" is the real issue, she misses the WHOLE point.

Study the history of mining camps during the various gold rushes of the 1800's just as an example, and you will see a magnified example of what the lust for gold did to men. They coveted it to the point of murder and theft. And THAT is an equation that Rand cannot address and is why she must build a straw man to knock down.

143 posted on 11/28/2001 12:29:36 AM PST by Ymani Cricket
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To: Cool Guy
P.S.

Yes, Atlas Shrugged is considered a masterpiece, and there is value to many of her ideas, but the same could be said of Das Capital, Moby Dick, and the Wizard of Oz.

144 posted on 11/28/2001 12:34:03 AM PST by Ymani Cricket
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To: Cool Guy
I think men are the root of all evil ... and their misuse of money is evil ... and that the world would be a better place if men would turn all their money and power over to women since we are the superior of the species; we hold the key ... the power of seduction.

"Whatever is done from love always occurs beyond good and evil." - Nietzche, Beyond Good and Evil

145 posted on 11/28/2001 2:01:41 AM PST by 2Trievers
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To: Hank Kerchief
Actaully, it was by careful thinking that I reached my conclusions. Might want to give it a try sometime, unless your too busy bashing posters who have the audacity to disagree with your world view.
146 posted on 11/28/2001 2:54:45 AM PST by Skooz
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To: Hank Kerchief
Well, I have had some coffee now and am in a more rational state of mind. I will, therefore, give your post more attention.

My response, to which you replied, was very narrowly focused. Orion had consistently referred those who posted that they believed the love of money is the root of all evil to post #9. Post 9 contains a short passage which, allegedly, attempts to refute the biblical notion (I think that was the intent. Orion never made that clear).

So, my post was aimed ONLY at post 9 and Orion's constant effort to get everyone who quoted the biblical text to read it--as if that short passage were going to cause some epiphany and would change their mind.

147 posted on 11/28/2001 3:32:05 AM PST by Skooz
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To: innocentbystander
Uh huh? So?
149 posted on 11/28/2001 3:46:06 AM PST by 2Trievers
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To: toddhisattva
See post #59.
151 posted on 11/28/2001 4:52:46 AM PST by FourPeas
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To: innocentbystander
Rand rejected Christianity and other religions for one simple reason: Incompatibility with her limited Logic and Reason.
152 posted on 11/28/2001 5:27:56 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: FormerLib
You nailed it.
153 posted on 11/28/2001 5:50:03 AM PST by Skooz
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To: innocentbystander
If you are courageous enough to evaluate Rand from a purely factual, logical basis, you might discover your own flawed reasoning.

Sorry, but human logic is insufficient to comprehend the infinite. God exists and welcomes all of those who approach Him in faith.

155 posted on 11/28/2001 6:31:57 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: He Rides A White Horse
No, it's "The love of money which is the root of all evil"

Correct.
I wish people would remember that.
Too many people misquote the Bible.
157 posted on 11/28/2001 6:48:22 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: Ymani Cricket
Study the history of mining camps during the various gold rushes of the 1800's just as an example, and you will see a magnified example of what the lust for gold did to men. They coveted it to the point of murder and theft.

Yes, but they coveted "free money", much like today's leisure class of welfare recipients, who are the quickest in our society to kill each other over $20. Gold was not something the miners earned through their own creativity or labor, it was just lying around in the ground, waiting to be dug up by who ever got there first with a pick and shovel, and a gun.

People who won't lift a finger to earn money are willing to expend great effort to loot and kill to get their hands on "free money". Rand addresses this exact situation near the end of the posted passage, when she writes of the race going to the most efficent at brutality.

158 posted on 11/28/2001 6:50:25 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: innocentbystander; Skooz; nmh; He Rides A White Horse
I had hoped you could do better than to suggest that WHAT YOU DONT KNOW AND CANT PROVE are suffient basis for a belief system.

Oh, so you claim to be surprised that I couldn't give you the sort of evidence of the existence of God that you could easily comprehend? Sorry, but no one is going to be able to condense the reality of God into the insufficient bottle of human thought and reason.

It is faith that allows us to approach God. That is why Jesus tells those who have experienced miraculous healing in His presence that "Your faith has made you well."

I realize that you are afraid of faith because I was once just like you in this area. You don't want a God that requires faith to build an understanding of Him, you want belief in His existence to be a foregone conclusion so that turning to God would be no different that turning to any other physical tool.

Faith is nothing to be feared or hated. It enables us to truly understand the image of God that is within all men.

159 posted on 11/28/2001 6:53:07 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: Fiddlstix
Too many people misquote the Bible.

Misquotation is only one of the methods they use to pervert its message. Sometimes, it does help reveal the one motivating their actions.

160 posted on 11/28/2001 6:55:12 AM PST by FormerLib
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