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To: Rokke
A witness to the actual impact stated that the object made a hard turn, followed a zigzag course before striking the B747. I concur with the hard turn in that if you draw a straight line from the 30-knot target through the sled, you must go right to hit the B747. So far, witness data matches radar evidence. Why the NTSB appeared to stay away from the FDR and radar evidence shows that they could not allow the facts to conflict with their own Mickey Mouse cause. Any one who states that the FDR data came from a previous flight has ignored the fact that the anomalies came only one second after the last clean data. Why are FDRs on aircraft other than show what happened? If what happens only one second later is ignored we may as well throw away the FDR's. Why didn't the NTSB review the FDR anomalies?
410 posted on 12/20/2001 10:15:11 AM PST by barf
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To: barf; Rokke; SBeck; Criminal Number 18F; Silly; Non-Sequitur; a6intruder
"A witness to the actual impact stated that the object made a hard turn, followed a zigzag course before striking the B747."

You earlier alleged that a witness saw the fiery streak trail of your alleged U.S. Navy hybrid SM-2 missile with dual mode homing missile make a sharp turn course correction just before it intercepted TWA 800 at 13,800 feet at 8:31:12. When asked to name the witness and provide the readers with the reference source URL for the report you were supposedly relying on, you couldn't do either.

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"[Richard] GOSS: (On Bell show): It was the typical look of a firework going up.... As it reached its peak, it sort of leveled out, and the strangest part was it took a sharp veer left, and it was horizontal. It moved horizontally that way. It was only a second or two later that I saw a massive explosion in the sky."

"Reconciliation [of Meyer's report] with Eyewitness Goss's report. At any rate that's really all I am here to tell you. I saw a streak of light cross the sky and initially I wasn't certain that it was a missile and I'll tell you why. In my experience in Vietnam when you saw a missile in flight it had an erratic flight path. The guidance system was always correcting.

Another strange thing - I saw something moving from my left-center to my left. I talked to a number of people whom I know in the community who said yea we saw the missile go up from the water - we saw it go up from the horizon and turn West.

Well I was looking to the South West and that meant that they saw something which would have gone from my left across going from my left to my right. And what I saw went from my left to my farther left in a right to left direction. And the two stories didn't jive - they conflicted - and I said well look I know these people - I know they are telling me the truth - we'll just preserve what we know and when we know the whole truth the pieces will fall together.

And I think they are. Because about 7 to 8 months later I met this guy, Richard Goss. Now Richard Goss had been sitting on the deck - on the front porch of a yacht club .. farther to the west of me and he had been looking out on a heading of 159 magnetic and he had seen this (points to a diagram depicting what Goss had seen). 170 magnetic - 159 true.

OK. He had seen this and when he described it to me and we talked about it and we drew it - I realized what had happened. A missile is in an erratic flight path because it is always correcting except if it is in an overshoot correct. That is, if the target is at the extreme limit of the acquisition capabilities of the missile then the missile says to itself "Whoops, the target's over there - I got to make a hard turn to catch that target". So the control surfaces on the missile go full throw and they hit stops and they stay there. And as long as they stay there and they don't chatter and they don't flutter, that missile carves a smooth arc in the sky.

When I saw Richard Goss's depiction of what he had seen I knew why I hadn't seen an erratic flight path - why the arc was smooth and I knew that what I had seen was a missile. I picked it up - you see on the top here where it curves - I picked it up just about where it starts to turn.

And what you are looking at with him is the turn is not that tight but what he looked at was at an aspect that was actually heading to the South away from him so that from his point of view the turn appears tight whereas from my point of view farther to the East it was a smoother curve."

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In short, Meyer and Goss met, compared what they had seen and they agreed that they both saw parts of the same sequence of fiery events in the sky.

Note that Goss estimated the elapsed time between the end of the fiery streak and the explosion of the Massive Fireball at only a second or two.

Meyer's meticulous elapsed time estimates included only 3-4 seconds between the end of the fiery streak and the explosion of the Massive Fireball, informally calculated to have been approximately 2000 feet in diameter, that filled the sky between about 5500-7500 feet at appropximately 8:31:47 - thirty-five seconds AFTER the 747 started coming apart at 13,800 feet.

427 posted on 12/20/2001 4:21:18 PM PST by Asmodeus
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