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To: mountaineer
City detectives obtained a warrant for Suber's arrest after the girl was interviewed by specialists at the Pittsburgh Child Advocacy Center at the Children's Hospital in Oakland, an affidavit of probable cause shows.

If the guy is guilty, he outta hang.

However, I read the article and the information here is sparse. An interview was conducted, was there a medical examination? Is there physical evidence of molestation, or just the little girl's word?

On most cirmes, I feel confident that when law enforcement and district attorneys bring a charge, they probably have the right man. But the hysteria of many social workers and child pschologists to make cases like this has led to many innocent people being charged on very flimsy evidence, with not a few convictions. I've seen videotapes of such interviews, and they can be very leading and suggestive, to the point of using dirty words, almost role-playing a molestation, and then asking the child if this is what "X" did to them. Kids will often tell adults what they think is expected of them, and repeated sessions like this (often with parents excluded) can lead to a false "suggested memory." Think about all of the bogus "recovered memory" cases you've seen over the years.

There has been a heinous degree of irresponsibility on the part of child advocates in this area, to the point where I think that child-abuse charges could often be brought against them.

I'd like to know more about the track record of the Pittsburgh D.A. in cases like this.

I'd also like to know more about the histery of this guy that's been charged.

Like I said, if he's guilty, he oughtta hang.


22 posted on 11/27/2001 6:01:00 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
--yep! that's why we have innocent until proven guilty, or that's the theory. I am of mixed feelings on this, if all they got is a kids testimony, after she weas grilled and maybe coached for a long time, but no evidence of rape, then what does that say? About zilch, could be someone has a vendetta against the guy-who knows? No way to tell from the article yet. Find out first, I don't trust child protective services to not be liars anymore, then been busted too many times creating false reality. This is SOP In divorce cases now, whomever files first makes a charge against the other spouse almost immediately, that and claims of 'threats", which usually results in loss of firearms forever, among other things.
25 posted on 11/27/2001 6:14:16 AM PST by zog
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To: Sabertooth
"If he's guilty, he should hang" -- I agree, totally.

However I also agree that charges like this demand a high standard of evidence, and the testimony of only the 7-year-old girl should be taken with a grain of salt.

If there is physical evidence that matches the girl's testimony, then that helps substantiate the charges. But (even inadvertently) false memories are easy to implant in children.

This should not get bogged down in arguments about the truthfulness of little children, women not being believed, black versus white, when the issue should be, did the alleged incident really happen or not.

I tend to doubt it really happened since the news article would (OK, "should") have mentioned physical or circumstantial evidence if that was part of the case.

I bet this didn't happen, and will get quietly dropped. The Board Member would have to move out of the state, in any case.

42 posted on 11/27/2001 9:55:06 AM PST by Big Dan
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