[sinkspur]

It is because the government can count on the likes of you to believe any story that they put out that those 80 some people are dead. Well, don't feel too bad, you share the guilt with a lot of others.

80 people died because Vernon Howell, with the cooperation of the BATF, wanted it. Howell's self-glorification envisioned an immolation of himself and his followers.

If Howell had been any kind of human being, he would have surrendered, and saved the lives of his followers.

Vernon Howell and the BATF are the guilty parties. You can stomp your feet all you want, but nobody else cares.

[gatex]

"Vernon Howell and the BATF are the guilty parties"

And the FBI.

[Askel5]

Vernon Howell and the BATF are the guilty parties

Guilty? Who said anything about guilty?

Waco was handled "by the book" according to Danforth's final report. Thanks to the report's being issued under cover of "election crisis" on November 8, 2000 and Bush's studiously avoiding all mention of Waco lest it "politicize" the presidential election campaign (oh, the horror!).

Perhaps you need to reconsider the PATRIOT Act and other measures of increased powers and profiling of innocent citizens given the fact that -- clearly -- neither Bush nor the GOP had any problems with Clinton and Reno's handling of Waco.

[takenoprisoner]

80 people died because Vernon Howell, with the cooperation of the BATF, wanted it.

You mean with the cooperation of the FBI? Didn't the FBI take over after the BATF failed to take out Koresh in the initial raid?