Posted on 11/26/2001 9:33:39 AM PST by Aerial
This tells me he expects at least some of the truth to be exposed and needs to a) cover his completely knowledgeable and complicitous butt, or b) cover himself for running an incomplete and inaccurate investigation. I guess it's also possible that he trusted some people that he shouldn't have... In any case I hope he's right that the truth is on its way.
... all from from the likes of LoserRockwell.com whose 'hit' numbers must certainly be falling after all the negative knocks they receive here on FR ...
I have to work on converting you on this Waco issue. Yeah, fat chance, eh?
124 posted on 11/28/01 6:08 PM Pacific by roughrider
Sounds like you and I agree on something, for perhaps the first time. IOW, the rogue group of the FBI that I've often griped about, insisting it isn't ALL of the FBI.
I've heard McGavin's name, but nothing else about him. I'm not sure of your context in saying he flew in the FLIR plane. What I'm trying to ask is--whose side was McG on? Or did someone get the tape by unusual means, since IMO it is most revealing of Govt misdoing?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/jamarbio.html
Jeffrey Jamar, Special Agent in charge
of the San Antonio regional office of
the FBI, served as the on-site
commander during the Waco siege.
Jamar retired in December 1994 after
twenty five and a half years in the FBI.
He was the boss.
The FLIR proves nothing, because nothing but flashes are seen on a videotape that originally came from the FBI itself.
What's seen on the FLIR does not jibe with the forensic evidence. But instead of confirming this for yourself by following the link I provided, you choose to sit back in your Lazy Boy chair and watch the video that the FBI provided.
In fact, every crucial point made in Waco: A New Revelation is a lie, but you're too lazy to find out for yourself. Instead, you choose to parrot the government's lies and in so doing, make yourself the government's useful idiot.
As I wrote before, you have beed duped by government propaganda.
In parting, I will leave you with this to chew on. It's a compilation of Goebbel's Principles of Propaganda. This was the playbook by which the government pulled the wool over the public's (and your) eyes. Closely study #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #13 and #14. (especially #5 & #6)
FRegards,
dan
1. Propagandist must have access to intelligence concerning events and public opinion.
2. Propaganda must be planned and executed by only one authority.
a. It must issue all the propaganda directives
b. It must explain propaganda directives to important officials and maintain their morale
c. It must oversee other agencies' activities which have propaganda consequences
3. The propaganda consequences of an action must be considered in planning that action.
4. Propaganda must affect the enemy's policy and action.
a. By suppressing propagandistically desirable material which can provide the enemy with useful intelligence
b. By openly disseminating propaganda whose content or tone causes the enemy to draw the desired conclusions
c. By goading the enemy into revealing vital information about himself
d. By making no reference to a desired enemy activity when any reference would discredit that activity
5. Declassified, operational information must be available to implement a propaganda campaign
6. To be perceived, propaganda must evoke the interest of an audience and must be transmitted through an attention-getting communications medium.
7. Credibility alone must determine whether propaganda output should be true or false.
8. The purpose, content and effectiveness of enemy propaganda; the strength and effects of an expose; and the nature of current propaganda campaigns determine whether enemy propaganda should be ignored or refuted.
9. Credibility, intelligence, and the possible effects of communicating determine whether propaganda materials should be censored.
10. Material from enemy propaganda may be utilized in operations when it helps diminish that enemy's prestige or lends support to the propagandist's own objective.
11. Black rather than white propaganda may be employed when the latter is less credible or produces undesirable effects.
12. Propaganda may be facilitated by leaders with prestige.
13. Propaganda must be carefully timed.
a. The communication must reach the audience ahead of competing propaganda.
b. A propaganda campaign must begin at the optimum moment
c. A propaganda theme must be repeated, but not beyond some point of diminishing effectiveness
14. Propaganda must label events and people with distinctive phrases or slogans.
a. They must evoke desired responses which the audience previously possesses
b. They must be capable of being easily learned
c. They must be utilized again and again, but only in appropriate situations
d. They must be boomerang-proof
15. Propaganda to the home front must prevent the raising of false hopes which can be blasted by future events.
16. Propaganda to the home front must create an optimum anxiety level.
a. Propaganda must reinforce anxiety concerning the consequences of defeat
b. Propaganda must diminish anxiety (other than concerning the consequences of defeat) which is too high and which cannot be reduced by people themselves
17. Propaganda to the home front must diminish the impact of frustration.
a. Inevitable frustrations must be anticipated
b. Inevitable frustrations must be placed in perspective
18. Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred.
19. Propaganda cannot immediately affect strong counter-tendencies; instead it must offer some form of action or diversion, or both.
Based upon "Goebbels' Principles of Propaganda" by Leonard W. Doob published in "Public Opinion and Propaganda; A Book of Readings edited for The Society for the Psychological Study of Social Issues."
Politprop Library
http://www.mcad.edu/classrooms/POLITPROP/palace/library/goebbels.html
Here's a link for the DMN archive URL you sent me. Thanks.
... VERY fat chance ... you ever read the background story by the Waco paper on that perp Howell?
PS. You're a victim of much hyperbole from a variety of Johnie-come-lately types who seek to profit from the discontent they can raise by crying: 'Waco - the babies and the childen they killed!' when IN FACT it was well within the responsibility and control of Vernon Wayne Howell to have ended this tragedy most peacefully ...
PSS. I'm still waiting for one of you, with a straight face, to offer ANY shred of coherent, credible testimony that COUNTERS that of Gramme Craddock (himself a so-called 'Davidian' or more correctly a 'Howellian') wherein Gramme cites the Davadians/Howellians as starting the several fires that finally consumed the compound and the bodies of most of those mentally held there by Vernon Wayne Howell ...
COULD JUST BE that he *wasn't* reporting lies ...
Do ANY of you people actually read for content?
No, not many of you - and CERTAINLY not the pro-Waco Howellian propagandists like 'Ol Dan the Ducker above ...
The Howellians?
They sure did ...
No way do I listen to the "babies and the children". But, I have read enought to believe that there is guilt within a bad group of trigger-happy agents, not only condoned, but likely encouraged by the Clintons, to show what they could do to and with an unpopular man like Koresh. Perhaps some sort of sick game with people like Rogers and Jamar, and a few more similar to them. With all the hell I've caught from the conspiracy crowd, you should know I feel there is sufficient reason to believe wrongdoing, or I wouldn't be on this thread.
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