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Disarming America, Part II
National Review Online ^ | Melissa Seckora

Posted on 11/26/2001 9:24:02 AM PST by VinnyTex

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1 posted on 11/26/2001 9:24:02 AM PST by VinnyTex
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To: VinnyTex
Bellesiles should be drummed out of academe. Of course, it says something about the world inside the University that he would continue to be tolerated.
2 posted on 11/26/2001 9:41:28 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"Bellesiles should be drummed out of academe. Of course, it says something about the world inside the University that he would continue to be tolerated."

Unfortunately, illogic, disinformation, distortion, and out right fraud are becoming the standard by which the politically correct members of "academe" base their membership. That being the case, there will be no drumhead court martial here. The only question left is when will we reach the point where "authoritative" or "academically renowned" means little or nothing more than leftist propagandizing and predictable agenda-slanted mendacity? I've lost respect for many academics that I once revered, a list long enough to make it to large to recount here. Under their so very incapable control, we are witnessing the deterioration and collapse of our University system, by 60's era ideologues bent on remaking society by rewriting reality. Of course, that simply cannot work,.. and so neither will our higher education system.

3 posted on 11/26/2001 9:53:40 AM PST by Richard Axtell
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
He said that his records were lost in "flood." Here is the link for a story about a single fire sprinkler, let loose for 25 minutes. http://www.emory.edu/EMORY_REPORT/erarchive/2000/May/ermay.8/5_8_00bowden.html
4 posted on 11/26/2001 10:09:33 AM PST by Leisler
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To: VinnyTex; *bang_list
bttt
5 posted on 11/26/2001 10:10:34 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: *bang_list
An important article in the continuing saga of the unravelling of Michael Bellesiles and his lies.
6 posted on 11/26/2001 10:11:51 AM PST by coloradan
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To: VinnyTex
Good article. This is part 2. Here's the link back to part 1 for those who didn't see it.

Disarming America (part I)

A lot of the information seems to be repeated. Regardless, it's worth the read.

7 posted on 11/26/2001 10:15:49 AM PST by Some hope remaining.
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To: VinnyTex
Game, set and match.

Bellesiles is toast.

(I love the smell of burning liberal in the morning!)

8 posted on 11/26/2001 10:20:31 AM PST by George Smiley
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But is a confirmed liar discredited if the liberal academics refuse to acknowledge the truth?

Sort of the tree falling unheard in the forest thing.

9 posted on 11/26/2001 10:42:08 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
how does this bang list work...
10 posted on 11/26/2001 10:48:48 AM PST by VinnyTex
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To: Travis McGee
Fortunately there are still some historians left who demand accuracy in research of the facts. I went to a college on the GI Bill and one of my majors was History. Although it was a small school absolutely no one would be able to defend a thesis with non-existant data and if one were to try the flood excuse for research that could not be duplicated then one would be getting an "F."

Stay well - Stay safe - stay armed - Yorktown

11 posted on 11/26/2001 12:03:30 PM PST by harpseal
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So what does BeLies retention in relative honor say about the state of "scholarship" (sic) on today's universities?

(It's a rhetorical question, I know....)

12 posted on 11/26/2001 8:57:13 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: harpseal
The flood is irrelevant. The work is false, whether he can find the papers or not. The real news in this is that Emory confirms that the hacking story is unsupported (ie, probably a hoax).
13 posted on 11/27/2001 7:02:11 PM PST by Hagrid
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To: VinnyTex
What's the old saying "Repeat a lie enough times and it becomes the truth" or some such. Typical liberal tactic.

In a recent issue of American Hunter, Michael Korda takes him apart very well, piece by piece.

14 posted on 11/27/2001 7:24:54 PM PST by itzfitz
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Clearly it shpuld only be a question of time until this slimeball is stripped of any tenured faculty position and relagated to some other profession. The need for scholarship standards is one that must be addressed at all our academic institutions. Without standards of scholarship all we have is ignorance masquerading as knowledge and knowledge is the one essential to maintaining our world.

Of course the work is of this professor is a lie and any competent historian knows this. Emory University knows this. The flood is just a very lame excuse that not even an undergraduate would seriously attempt. He also could have said "The dog ate my notes." That was the point I was attempting to make. An Historian is at minimum supposed to be able to produce replicatable work. Anything less is a betrayal of the priciples embodied by the muse Clio.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

15 posted on 11/28/2001 4:47:47 AM PST by harpseal
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To: VinnyTex
Looks like Bellesiles went to the Clinton school of spin control.
16 posted on 11/28/2001 6:13:24 AM PST by 6ppc
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Clayton Cramer specifically addresses "Arming America"
Heh, heh, heh.
17 posted on 11/28/2001 6:32:17 AM PST by philman_36
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To: harpseal
Stalin called genetics "Jewish science" or some such, and forbad its discussion. For years, Soviet "academics" were forced to pretend that there was valididty to absurd theories of inherited traits: become a body builder, and your kids will have bigger muscles and so on.

That's where we are heading: soviet style history. PC conclusion first, research....who cares.

18 posted on 11/28/2001 8:34:28 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: 6ppc
Those who know him say that he is very Clintonian.
19 posted on 11/28/2001 10:07:59 AM PST by Hagrid
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To: 6ppc
Indeed, with his "I don't remember" and "the dog ate my homework" he clearly studied at the feet of the Master.

These excuses, like Clinton's, are so lame as to be insulting.

20 posted on 11/28/2001 10:23:27 AM PST by alpowolf
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