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To: proud2bRC
I must assume that you doggedly follow my posts on all these threads because my efforts at apologetics are effective and I am getting the desired results, i.e., spreading the Kingdom of God. I take your constant insults and anti-Catholic bigoted remarks as the highest of praise, proof that my efforts are getting results, and evidence (as I've stated elsewhere) that Satan knows the right address, sending his minions, his ranks of unbelievers, into battle against the Church of his enemy, Christ. May God Bless you abundantly. (By the way, I've prayed for you daily for several weeks now. Are you praying for me daily? Otherwise your pathetic insults will not convert me, if indeed I am in error.)

I am not "doggedly following you" I am responding to the popaganda and false doctrine you're trying to shovel. FR IS a discussion website. Remember?
You STILL haven't ever shown me where Jesus or any of the Apostles taught anyone to "venerate" images. Actually, when I showed you ALL of the verses in both the Old and New Testaments you cried to one of the system moderators that the TRUTH was spam and got him to delete my post because you couldn't honestly respond to defend your cult.
I've been praying for you too, unfortunately God has his limits and the following pretty well describes rome.

ROMANS 1:16 ¶ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
ROMANS 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
ROMANS 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
ROMANS 1:19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
ROMANS 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
ROMANS 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
ROMANS 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
ROMANS 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
ROMANS 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
ROMANS 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
ROMANS 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
ROMANS 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
ROMANS 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
ROMANS 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
ROMANS 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
ROMANS 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
ROMANS 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

157 posted on 11/30/2001 7:51:23 AM PST by Unbeliever
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To: Unbeliever
You STILL haven't ever shown me where Jesus or any of the Apostles taught anyone to "venerate" images.

"at the name of Jesus every knee should bow"

This is veneration not of Jesus, but of a thing -- his name -- that represents him. It is not idolatry, of course, because it's understood that the veneration passes to its prototype. The Church's veneration of images derives from the Incarnation, in which God himself, through the cooperation of the Virgin Mary, made his own image.

169 posted on 11/30/2001 9:45:51 PM PST by Romulus
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To: Unbeliever
Ah, but there's that plank in the eye thing.

My own plank is still in the process of being hatcheted, routered, sawed, gouged, dynamited...

Things are somewhat blurry, but there are clear spots in my vision.

Ex-catholic, and thank God!

194 posted on 12/03/2001 6:24:05 AM PST by packrat01
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