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Somalia may come next in wider war on terrorism (REVENGE FOR THE SLAIN)
The Daily Telegraph ^ | November 26, 2001 | Adrian Blomfield

Posted on 11/25/2001 3:30:06 PM PST by MadIvan

AS THE Taliban crumble, speculation is again rife that American sights could be turned on another of the world's most chaotic countries: Somalia.

President Bush has already given clear warnings. Shortly after the September 11 attacks he placed the Somali militant group al-Itihaad al-Islamiya on a list of outlawed terrorist organisations.

This month he froze the assets of al-Barakat, Somalia's biggest business conglomerate, described by the US as "quartermasters of terror". Intelligence and diplomatic sources say al-Qa'eda has been operating training camps alongside its colleagues in al-Itihaad.

They have pooled resources, observers say, since 1992 when al-Itihaad leaders met Osama bin Laden in the Sudanese capital, Khartoum. Intelligence sources say that in 1998 bin Laden congratulated his operators on the bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

There have been persistent rumours that bin Laden could flee to Somalia. Some reports say he is already there. Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, said last week that he could have fled via Pakistan to Somalia, Sudan or Yemen, which are also on Washington's potential hit list.

Al-Qa'eda is reported to have training camps in Yemen's northern mountains, where several thousand guerrillas are believed to be awaiting orders. Eight British Arabs convicted in Yemen of murdering four tourists in 1998 identified Islamic army camps in Aden. These could be targets.

Sanctions against Sudan, which remains on Washington's list of countries that sponsor terrorism, were dropped in September after President Omar al-Bashir declared himself a member of the coalition against terrorism.

But Hassan al-Turabi, the leading opposition figure, was bin Laden's closest associate in Sudan, where he lived between 1992 and 1996. There is speculation that followers of Turabi, who is married to bin Laden's niece, could be pursued by the Americans.

Somalia could be the easiest of the three countries to strike. It has been an open secret for months that al-Itihaad's main training base is near the coastal town of Ras Kamboni, on the Kenyan border.

According to Somalis in the area, members of al-Qa'eda began to infiltrate the south of the country in 1996 posing as Islamic missionaries. They built training camps and took control of several towns.

Locals tell of Arab recruits training in the camps and imposing a terrifying, Taliban-style sharia law. "These people have a kind of poison in them," said Muhammed, a cattle trader who fled the area this year. "They did terrible things to people they suspected of being opposed to them and their teachings. They would rip out their eyes and chop off their hands.

"They would beat people and cut the body to allow the wounds to become infested with maggots. Others they tied their hands and feet and drowned them in the river." Smoking was forbidden. Caught once, a guilty man would receive 40 lashes. Caught again, he would be executed.

Yet it remains unclear how the Americans could eradicate the terrorism threat in Somalia. Many accounts say the terrorists fled after September 11. Boats were seen leaving Ras Kamboni night after night, sailing out into the Indian Ocean.

"If there was a war to be fought against terrorism in Somalia then I think the Americans have missed the boat," said one diplomat.

There are also doubts over whether America has the stomach for a war in Somalia. In late 1992 Mr Bush's father sent troops there on a peacekeeping operation. It was a disaster, with at least 17 Americans killed in a single incident, and they soon pulled out.


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To: MadIvan
There are also doubts over whether America has the stomach for a war in Somalia.

Me thinks this writer hasn't visited the States lately.

In late 1992 Mr Bush's father sent troops there on a peacekeeping operation. It was a disaster, with at least 17 Americans killed in a single incident, and they soon pulled out.

To this day the Special Forces say this mission was a success, but Americans were appalled by the brutality of the Somalis. In both Somalia and Desert Storm the US was aligned with the United Nations. We aren't making that mistake now.

21 posted on 11/25/2001 4:36:01 PM PST by GVnana
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To: blam
Good book, the author gives a minute-by-minute detailed analysis of what happened, but STRUGGLES to exonerate Clinton in the end (didn't know what was going on, military/UN diplomats out-of-control, etc). But we still pulled out in the end, which was Clinotn's decision. The Deltas and Rangers DESPERATELY wanted to go back and finish the job.
22 posted on 11/25/2001 4:38:52 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: MadIvan
Great job, Ivan - so good to see you. JL bttt
23 posted on 11/25/2001 4:39:25 PM PST by lodwick
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To: Alas Babylon!
This is from today's New York Times article on Colin Powell:


24 posted on 11/25/2001 4:40:32 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: Alas Babylon!
Actually, this is wrong! GWH Bush sent in forces on a HUMANITARIAN mission. Upon taking over in January, 1993, Clinton advisors Anthony Lake, Madeline Albright, and Les Aspin (with Clinton's approval) turned it into a "nation-building" exercise focusing on getting the war lord Muhammad Aidid. Colin Powell, still Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, was opposed to this sea-change in the mission.

The 19, NOT 17, who died, did so on October 3rd, 1993, due to lack of armor, AC-130 gunships, and other assets that left the 75th Ranger Regiment without an escape plan after two black hawks were shot down. The armour WAS requested by Gen Montgomery in September, many weeks before the ill-fated raid. Les Aspin resigned as Sec of Defense two weeks after the debacle.

I would also like to add to the sole reason we failedin Somalia. It all starts with Klinton, who changed the scope of mission as soon as he took office. As you stated, Bush the Elder deployed troops for humanitarian reasons. They ended up guarding the food stuffs for the Somali people that were being stolen by the warlords to feed their troops.

However, Klinton soon turned command over (or rather cleared by it) to the UN and sent our troops on patrols and capture missions - which was not part of the orginal mission. Naturally, the UN had spies in it from countries like France who would tipoff the enemy of every one of our movements. The Italians used to turn their vehicle headlights on to warn those in the city were coming.

The funny thing is that the Pakistani's and Malyasians were the only ones with armored vehicles since Klinton denied the US military's request.

25 posted on 11/25/2001 4:45:18 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: MadIvan
I'd like to be sitting on the beach with a camera when the dozen or so Seals pull up in a rubber raft, holding a sign that says, "WE'RE BACK"...

Will the Somolian slugs realize that "Hell on Earth" is just over the horizen???

26 posted on 11/25/2001 4:45:44 PM PST by Iscool
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To: denydenydeny
To clarify, this article is "The World According to Powell" by Bill Keller, and is in the NYT magazine, not the newspaper.
27 posted on 11/25/2001 4:48:06 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: GVgirl
Get some. Odds would be slim to none that there are innocents abroad thereabouts.
28 posted on 11/25/2001 4:53:08 PM PST by mathurine
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To: Centurion2000
We're aren't delivering pizzas this time

Or teaching them Christmas songs!

29 posted on 11/25/2001 4:57:05 PM PST by klee
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To: MadIvan
Speaking of payback in the Somali department, Muhammed Atef, now a nasty smear on some Afghan rubble, was one of the masterminds behind the attack on our troops in somalia back in '93 (Aidid being simply a stooge). Payback's already underway.
30 posted on 11/25/2001 4:58:31 PM PST by AndrewSshi
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To: Iscool
"I'd like to be sitting on the beach with a camera when the dozen or so Seals pull up in a rubber raft, holding a sign that says, "WE'RE BACK"..."

....and we're real PISSED!

31 posted on 11/25/2001 5:02:45 PM PST by blam
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To: Alas Babylon!; blam
RE: #* --- EXACTLY RIGHT!

Travis McGee practically forced me to read "Black Hawk Down." I'm glad he did.

32 posted on 11/25/2001 5:16:42 PM PST by onyx
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To: Alas Babylon!; blam
RE: post # 8 --- exactly right!
33 posted on 11/25/2001 5:18:12 PM PST by onyx
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To: denydenydeny
allowing an effort to feed starving Somalis to evolve into a campaign to introduce democracy where there was nothing but clan warfare.

You can bet that 43 woun't make that same mistake in Afghanistan.

34 posted on 11/25/2001 5:29:31 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: onyx
The only thing that kind've sucks, is that the warlord Muhammed Aidid, had assumed room temprature a few years back. I would love to see that bastard's head on a spike! One more thing about that failed rescue, about a week later, the Clintoon State department was flying this Yo-Yo around in military aircraft, to negotiate some power-sharing agreement for Somalia. I could feel for the military personnel, having to shuffle this clymer around. I would've arrainged for a nasty accident to happen to this warlord.
35 posted on 11/25/2001 5:32:40 PM PST by mlibertarianj
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To: mlibertarianj
Your memory is fantastic. I HAD forgotten about clinton flying that b@stard around the countryside. You're right --- he should have been dumped from the copter along with enough "chum" to attract the ocean's predators! Then, "roll the video tape, please."
36 posted on 11/25/2001 5:37:53 PM PST by onyx
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To: MadIvan
First we have to get rid of Osama. That will speak volumes. We should be hoping that's accomplished in a few weeks.
37 posted on 11/25/2001 5:50:42 PM PST by rs79bm
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To: onyx
I need to get down to Borders and get BHD myself.

When the Afghan excursion got started, I went out and got a book entitled "Somalia on $5 a Day". Combat pay was $150 a month back then, hence $5 a day. About the peacekeeping efforts by U.S. units out in the countryside, away from Mogadishu. Worth finding and reading, if only to understand the mentality of the people we are dealing with in these Third World hellholes.

38 posted on 11/25/2001 5:57:35 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: onyx
There is a personal matter here, with regards to Somalia, my brother was assigned to a USMC support unit in Somalia at that time. He and a few Marines were constantly getting shot at by the militias there. I am glad he got out there, and he is now on his way, to complete his 20 years with the Corps. I don't know how he did that with the bulk of years under the X42 regime. But with W in office, things are much better.
39 posted on 11/25/2001 6:07:56 PM PST by mlibertarianj
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To: MadIvan
Hear!!..Hear!!...What you said!!

I do believe we have that.. stomach for war....now, bigtime!

40 posted on 11/25/2001 6:26:21 PM PST by Guenevere
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