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To: dvwjr
Ahhhh the ZOOMIES are starting to get their panties in a wad.....it makes me so misty eyed.

As my high school football coach(a 6'4" retired USMC Gunnery Sgt., One of the Chosin Few) used to say...... "How can you say Air Force with any pride?

Semper FI

14 posted on 11/23/2001 8:22:58 PM PST by BigFLPanhandleDude
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To: BigFLPanhandleDude
How can you say Air Force with any pride?
Because my uncle was in the US Army Air Corps (precursor to the Air Force) and lost his life as the pilot of a B-26 attacking the Third Reich, flying into the teeth of heavy German AAA defending a bridge, but managed to hold his crippled and burning plane straight and level long enough for 3 crew to bail out. One of the men managed to sneak back to friendly lines with the help of the French Resistance and survived to return home. The other two went MIA and were assumed killed. That's how.

That said, I don't like one service branch trying to promote itself at the expense of another. Heck, haven't we also seen pictures of B-52's and AC-130's? I say, throw everything at them we possibly can!

16 posted on 11/23/2001 11:29:24 PM PST by Gordian Blade
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To: BigFLPanhandleDude
How can you say "Air Force" with any pride?

I know how Marines say it: "Hey Lookit... lookit up dere--airplane up dere!

signed/ B-17 pilot's kid.

17 posted on 11/23/2001 11:43:18 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: BigFLPanhandleDude
"How can you say Air Force with any pride?

Freeper SARgunner says he is mystified by Air Force people he meets who act like they have nothing to be proud about. He and I are both enormously proud of our contribution to the liberation of oppressed peoples.

I'm a big fan of the Marine Corps, but let's state it for the record: Col. John Boyd, USAF, won a victory against every single air-to-air opponent in less than 40 seconds, including some Marines who were sure an Air Force weenie couldn't handle them. I don't know, by the way, if your average young Marine officer knows John Boyd's name, but you can bet your last dime they know his tactical philosophies, which have influenced Marine doctrine.

Oh, and then there's these...just 1 or 2 from each war, otherwise you'll be here all day...

Air Force and Army Air Corps Recipients of the Medal of Honor (asterisk indicates KIA)

*LUKE, FRANK, JR.
Rank and organization: Second Lieutenant, U.S. Army Air Corps, 27th Aero Squadron, 1st Pursuit Group, Air Service. Place and date: Near Murvaux, France, 29 September 1918. Entered service at: Phoenix, Ariz. Born: 19 May 1897, Phoenix, Ariz. G.O. No.: 59, W.D., 1919. Citation: After having previously destroyed a number of enemy aircraft within 17 days he voluntarily started on a patrol after German observation balloons. Though pursued by 8 German planes which were protecting the enemy balloon line, he unhesitatingly attacked and shot down in flames 3 German balloons, being himself under heavy fire from ground batteries and the hostile planes. Severely wounded, he descended to within 50 meters of the ground, and flying at this low altitude near the town of Murvaux opened fire upon enemy troops, killing 6 and wounding as many more. Forced to make a landing and surrounded on all sides by the enemy, who called upon him to surrender, he drew his automatic pistol and defended himself gallantly until he fell dead from a wound in the chest.

RICKENBACKER, EDWARD V.
Rank and organization: First Lieutenant, U.S. Army Air Corps, 94th Aero Squadron, Air Service. Place and date: Near Billy, France, 25 September 1918. Entered service at: Columbus, Ohio. Born: 8 October 1890, Columbus, Ohio. G.O. No.: 2, W.D., 1931. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty in action against the enemy near Billy, France, 25 September 1918. While on a voluntary patrol over the lines, 1st Lt. Rickenbacker attacked 7 enemy planes (5 type Fokker, protecting two type Halberstadt). Disregarding the odds against him, he dived on them and shot down one of the Fokkers out of control. He then attacked one of the Halberstadts and sent it down also.

*BAKER, ADDISON E.
Rank and organization: Lieutenant Colonel, U.S. Army Air Corps, 93d Heavy Bombardment Group. Place and date: Ploesti Raid, Rumania, 1 August 1943. Entered service at: Akron, Ohio. Born: 1 January 1907, Chicago, Ill. G.O. No.: 20, 11 March 1944. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty in action with the enemy on 1 August 1943. On this date he led his command, the 93d Heavy Bombardment Group, on a daring low-level attack against enemy oil refineries and installations at Ploesti, Rumania. Approaching the target, his aircraft was hit by a large caliber antiaircraft shell, seriously damaged and set on fire. Ignoring the fact he was flying over terrain suitable for safe landing, he refused to jeopardize the mission by breaking up the lead formation and continued unswervingly to lead his group to the target upon which he dropped his bombs with devastating effect. Only then did he leave formation, but his valiant attempts to gain sufficient altitude for the crew to escape by parachute were unavailing and his aircraft crashed in flames after his successful efforts to avoid other planes in formation. By extraordinary flying skill, gallant leadership and intrepidity, Lt. Col. Baker rendered outstanding, distinguished, and valorous service to our Nation.

*DAVIS, GEORGE ANDREW, JR.
Rank and organization: Major, U.S. Air Force, CO, 334th Fighter Squadron, 4th Fighter Group, 5th Air Force. Place and date: Near Sinuiju-Yalu River area, Korea, 10 February 1952. Entered service at: Lubbock, Tex. Born: 1 December 1920, Dublin, Tex. Citation: Maj. Davis distinguished himself by conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. While leading a flight of 4 F-86 Saberjets on a combat aerial patrol mission near the Manchurian border, Maj. Davis' element leader ran out of oxygen and was forced to retire from the flight with his wingman accompanying him. Maj. Davis and the remaining F-86's continued the mission and sighted a formation of approximately 12 enemy MIG-15 aircraft speeding southward toward an area where friendly fighter-bombers were conducting low level operations against the Communist lines of communications. With selfless disregard for the numerical superiority of the enemy, Maj. Davis positioned his 2 aircraft, then dove at the MIG formation. While speeding through the formation from the rear he singled out a MIG-15 and destroyed it with a concentrated burst of fire. Although he was now under continuous fire from the enemy fighters to his rear, Maj. Davis sustained his attack. He fired at another MIG-15 which, bursting into smoke and flames, went into a vertical dive. Rather than maintain his superior speed and evade the enemy fire being concentrated on him, he elected to reduce his speed and sought out still a third MIG-15. During this latest attack his aircraft sustained a direct hit, went out of control, then crashed into a mountain 30 miles south of the Yalu River. Maj. Davis' bold attack completely disrupted the enemy formation, permitting the friendly fighter-bombers to successfully complete their interdiction mission. Maj. Davis, by his indomitable fighting spirit, heroic aggressiveness, and superb courage in engaging the enemy against formidable odds exemplified valor at its highest.

DAY, GEORGE E.
Rank and organization: Colonel (then Major), U.S. Air Force, Forward Air Controller Pilot of an F-100 aircraft. Place and date: North Vietnam, 26 August 1967. Entered service at: Sioux City, Iowa. Born: 24 February 1925, Sioux City, Iowa. Citation: On 26 August 1967, Col. Day was forced to eject from his aircraft over North Vietnam when it was hit by ground fire. His right arm was broken in 3 places, and his left knee was badly sprained. He was immediately captured by hostile forces and taken to a prison camp where he was interrogated and severely tortured. After causing the guards to relax their vigilance, Col. Day escaped into the jungle and began the trek toward South Vietnam. Despite injuries inflicted by fragments of a bomb or rocket, he continued southward surviving only on a few berries and uncooked frogs. He successfully evaded enemy patrols and reached the Ben Hai River, where he encountered U.S. artillery barrages. With the aid of a bamboo log float, Col. Day swam across the river and entered the demilitarized zone. Due to delirium, he lost his sense of direction and wandered aimlessly for several days. After several unsuccessful attempts to signal U.S. aircraft, he was ambushed and recaptured by the Viet Cong, sustaining gunshot wounds to his left hand and thigh. He was returned to the prison from which he had escaped and later was moved to Hanoi after giving his captors false information to questions put before him. Physically, Col. Day was totally debilitated and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself. Despite his many injuries, he continued to offer maximum resistance. His personal bravery in the face of deadly enemy pressure was significant in saving the lives of fellow aviators who were still flying against the enemy. Col. Day's conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty are in keeping with the highest traditions of the U.S. Air Force and reflect great credit upon himself and the U.S. Armed Forces.

And then there's these guys...


Dec. 10th. 1941. A B-17 piloted by Capt. Colin Kelly is attacked by Japanese Ace Saburo Sakai. Kelly's crew bailed out, but Capt. Kelly was killed whilst trying to land the damaged bomber, thus becoming the the first highly publicized American hero of the war.


On March 31st. and April 1st. 1945, flying their distinctive red-tailed Mustangs, the Tuskegee airmen roamed the skies over southern Germany, shooting down twenty five enemy aircraft for only one loss to themselves, a remarkable feat for which they are justifiably proud.

And how could i not be justifiably proud of being a small part of a heritage like that?

23 posted on 03/18/2004 12:12:14 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Caring about the Final Four for the first time ever. Go Air Force!)
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To: BigFLPanhandleDude
"How can you say Air Force with any pride?

Easy, I was an enlisted Marine and am now a retired AF officer. Each of the branches brings essential assets to the field. One or the other jockeying for position over the others is horse flop. The Navy and AF are notorious for this. Cooperation and applying the right elements of force with standardized equipment and comm in the right places at the right time is what will win conflicts regardless of the mix of services. Trouble is we have too many "manager" and political generals and too few leaders.
29 posted on 03/18/2004 2:16:41 PM PST by RJS1950
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