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To: erizona
The actions of the Islamic fanatics and the Christian fanatics as expressed in your post illustrates why more people have died in the name of religion than for any other reason. Ironic, isn't it?
125 posted on 11/23/2001 8:11:12 AM PST by cerberus
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To: cerberus
>>>>more people have died in the name of religion than for any other reason. Ironic, isn't it?<<<<

Can you prove that statement?

Ironic is that the people in the WTC, the plane in PA, and the Pentagon were killed by Islamic fanatics. These people got up, probably did not give one thought to bin Laden or to Islam, and, yet, died became a jihad was declared upon them (unbeknown to them)! Ironic!

131 posted on 11/23/2001 8:16:23 AM PST by TrueBeliever9
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To: cerberus
”… more people have died in the name of religion than for any other reason. Ironic, isn't it?”

I don’t know if this is properly classified as an “urban myth” or simply a frequently used slander against people of faith. However, whenever I see this I am going to point out that the person who makes this is either misinformed or a malicious liar.

Take your pick.

Love and peace.

141 posted on 11/23/2001 8:23:59 AM PST by moneyrunner
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To: cerberus
You might want to look at these facts found on the web here: Question: Who was the Bloodiest Tyrant of the 20th Century?

Question: Who was the Bloodiest Tyrant of the 20th Century?

Answer: We don't know.

That's probably the saddest fact of the Twentieth Century. There are so many candidates for the award of top monster that we can't decide between them. Whether it's Adolf Hitler, Mao Zedong or Iosif Stalin is, quite frankly, anybody's guess.

For now, let's just skip over the whole margin of error thing -- reasonable people have studied the evidence and come up with wildly differing numbers. You're free to check my sources, but for now, trust me. I've studied the matter at great length and decided that the most likely death toll for these three are:

TYRANT DEATHS
Mao 45Million
Hitler 34M
Stalin 20M

Well, that certainly looks like Mao is our man, but wait. Mao's largest crime is the Great Leap Forward, a bungled attempt to restructure the economy of China which created a famine that killed some 30M. If we confine our indictment to deliberate killings, we get this:

TYRANT KILLINGS
Hitler 34M
Stalin 20M
Mao 15M

So it's Hitler, right? Except that most of the deaths on his head were caused by the Second World War. Sure, he started it, but our society does not blanketly condemn the starting of wars (after all, we reserve the right to do it ourselves in a just cause), and we certainly don't consider killing armed enemy soldiers in a fair fight to be a crime against humanity. If we therefore confine ourselves to the cold-blooded murder of unarmed non-combatants, our table rearranges itself again:

TYRANT MURDERS
Stalin 20M
Hitler 15M
Mao 15M

This brings Stalin floating to the top. So it look like once you reduce their crimes to the unjustifiably lowest common denominator, then Stalin is worst; however, you might want to argue that dead is dead so it really doesn't matter if you give your victims a chance to fight back. Fighting an unjust or reckless war is certainly a crime against humanity, so our numbers should go back to:

TYRANT KILLINGS
Hitler 34M
Stalin 20M
Mao 15M

... and these are just the problems we'll encounter if we accept my numbers without debate. If we want to use the estimates of other scholars, we can pin up to 50 million murders on Stalin, enough to push him to the top of the list regardless of definition. Or we can whittle him down to 10 million murders if we use the low end of the margin of error, and scrounge several more tens of millions for Mao, or away from him.

So, the answer to the question of "Who is roasting on the hottest fires in Hell?" is "Well, that depends..."


Secondary Level of Mass Murderers:

Obviously, we're going to run into the same vagueries and uncertainties when we try to rank numbers 4 through 10 on the list of the 20th Century's worst killers, but at least we can nominate the candidates. A pretty good case could be made that each of the following rulers (listed alphabetically) were responsible for over a million unjust, unnecessary or unnatural deaths by initiating or intensifying war, famine, democide or resettlement, or by allowing people under their control to do so:

Here are a few of the century's rulers who could easily be indicted for causing hundreds of thousands of unnatural deaths. Although some might be acquitted due to inadequite evidence or mitigating circumstances, it might be a good idea to not build statues to them.

Strange is it not that most if not all of these millions upon millions of deaths were caused by men who believed in no God at all? Hummm...

164 posted on 11/23/2001 8:42:19 AM PST by Walkin Man
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