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To: jwalsh07
What, no comment on the secrecy of FDR's tribunal? I'm starting to think you may have a bit of an agenda.

If by secret you mean closed to the public, I have no problem with that. This country has had secret-trials for national security reasons for well over 200 years.

Why does the bold print only apply to FDR? I have seen nothing yet that states Congress specifically authorized those tribunals in 1942.

I cited that passage becasue it is a good summary of the Articles of War passed by Congress which authorized the military tribunal system utilized by FDR. The statutes themselves are found at 10 U.S.C. 1471-1593. (They were repealed after the war, of course, but you should be able to find a copy on the internet.)

With all due respect, I sense a basic confusion as to how the three branches of government work in relation to a judicial system.

Congress doesn't convene a trial. It doesn't 'authorize' the Executive branch to move forward with a trial in a particular case. That is, FDR did not have to ask Congress for permission to try those particular Germans.

Rather, our Legislative branch passes LAWS setting forth the procedures and rules pertaining to trials. Every Federal Court in this country was created by Congress. All the rules -- how many jurors, what kind of evidence comes in, what the penalties are, what the accused may and may not do during the trial, etc., etc. -- are LAWS and passed by Congress.

Now... The Judicial branch is the branch in charge of actually hearing the case. They decide how Congress' laws are to be interpreted and applied to the particular case at hand. Congress can create quasi-courts -- such as administrative courts or military tribunals -- which aren't technically organs of the Judicial branch. However, at the end of the day, an Article III judge must have the final say.

The Executive branch serves as the prosecutor. It's job is to convince the Judicial branch that a law was broken. The Executive branch can do NOTHING to the accused without first having the Judicial branch OK it. Does the Executive branch want to execute a terrorist? It's first gotta have the Judicial branch's permission. This is what is meant by "due process."

Returning to FDR -- the tribunal, its basic procedures, and its organization was created by Congress. The Judicial branch had the ultimate authority to determine if the verdict was correct. And, the Executive branch (FDR) had the job of prosecuting the accused.

But then again, I have an agenda. I want as many terrorists dead as possible

A laudable goal perhaps.

And one that can easily be accomplished without gutting the Constitution.

256 posted on 11/21/2001 5:04:18 PM PST by backup
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To: backup
The President of the United States by order of July 2, 1942 appointed a Military Commission and directed it to try petitioners for offenses against the law of war and Articles of War, and prescribed regulations on trial and review of record of the trial and any decision handed down by the Commission.

I know I lack clarity and legal training but I know the meaning of hubris.

You insisted that FDR did not issue an order. That is not true.

257 posted on 11/21/2001 5:21:58 PM PST by jwalsh07
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