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To: jgrubbs; billbears
Although I like the libertarians(I don't like the 'constitution party' that much, but I don't want to get into that here), they can't win big elections. When they get 33% nationwide vote, 20 senators, 150 house members, or 20 governors, I'll switch.

If we don't win, we lose our freedoms. The ends justify the means(as long as it's legal).

That's a big reason I finally sucked it up and joined the GOP. I think we to take over the party. It's the ONLY way we can win.

14 posted on 11/20/2001 10:14:34 AM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan
If we don't win, we lose our freedoms.

And exactly how are our freedoms being saved under the current administration? The only time we lost them quicker was under another Republican president(but don't get me started on that either!!) Interestingly enough, he also established military tribunals. But it was found to be unconstitutional five years later by the SCOTUS

19 posted on 11/20/2001 10:19:07 AM PST by billbears
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To: Dan from Michigan
If we don't win, we lose our freedoms."

You have not been paying attention. Rights are being taken away by Bush and Congress and without rights there is no Freedom. What rights you ask? The 4th amendment gone and signed away by a Republican President

In the Patriot Act has what is known as "Sneak and Peak". It takes away a persons right to be secure in their person, home, papers and effects. The government is allowed by law to come into your home, take what they want including papers and effects as long as is of no value (btw value is still not defined) and not even tell the person they have been there. The burden of proof being 'someone may know something about something' is not probable cause for a reasonable search or seizure.

"The ends justify the means(as long as it's legal). "

It is not legal if it is unconstitutional. There is a great deal of unconstitutional crap coming out of Washington right now and few care.

Bush and Congress have a free pass to do anything they want right now. Do you see what we get? Larger government, rights stripped and Bush usurping congress with a stroke of the pen.

I don't see Bush pushing a conservative agenda right now. I do see Bi partisanship for everything liberal but nothing conservative. Bush cant even get his judges in, for crying out loud.

With Bushes approval ratings and having the House why are the Republicans held HOSTAGE to the senate because 2 people (Jeffords and 1 dem) run this country right now?

"That's a big reason I finally sucked it up and joined the GOP. I think we to take over the party. It's the ONLY way we can win."

I at one time thought that too. I was a moderate DEMOCRAT at the time and many of my friends joined with me ...only problem was I was really a conservative and they were really liberals.

Those liberal Dems that joined are what we call RINO's. They are taking over the Republican party not conservatives....An example of this is Ann Wagner the current RNC co chair, former chairwoman of the Missouri State Republican Party during the last election when a dead man won a seat in the senate and voter fraud was known for a fact to be very rampant, Bush 1's state coordinator in 92, who helped redistrict MO after the last election and whose husband actively supports and contributes to Dick Gephardt and refuses to help Republican candidates while sending checks to Dems.

People like her will do everything they can to stop true conservatives candidates from running EVEN at the local level and do their best to squelch the conservative voice in the party.

Winning with the GOP only means Liberal-Lite and under Bush its not even lite any more. I have had it. I have plenty to offer to third party candidates and I would rather try there than the RNC/DNC any more.

41 posted on 11/20/2001 12:01:33 PM PST by Native American Female Vet
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To: Dan from Michigan
When they get 33% nationwide vote, 20 senators, 150 house members, or 20 governors, I'll switch.

It's time to be the leader that you are instead of a follower. Get out in front, instead of waiting for the bandwagon.

56 posted on 11/20/2001 1:31:43 PM PST by Eagle Eye
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