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U.S. Special Forces Fighting with Swords on Horseback
NewsMax ^ | November 18, 2001 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 11/18/2001 4:03:33 PM PST by MeekOneGOP

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To: GretchenEE
Especially considering the old boy was not only a native New Yorker, but a former police commissioner.
41 posted on 11/18/2001 8:17:01 PM PST by RichInOC
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To: MeeknMing
Hmm ... a U.S. military issue sword?
42 posted on 11/18/2001 8:23:04 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: jpthomas
Thanks for posting this great photo! I made it my new wallpaper.
43 posted on 11/18/2001 8:23:33 PM PST by Lady In Blue
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To: Nitro
I hadn' really thought about it like that,but you're right!
44 posted on 11/18/2001 8:28:31 PM PST by Lady In Blue
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To: MeeknMing
Nice link. I enjoyed it. :)
45 posted on 11/18/2001 8:31:47 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: Lady In Blue
Still and all, it was a good flick!
46 posted on 11/18/2001 8:36:48 PM PST by Nitro
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To: jpthomas
I can't see the U.S. soldiers in the photos very well, but does it look to anyone else like the closest guy is wearing a turban or skull cap and a beard? That's what it looked like to me. If so, I guess the "When in Rome" principle is really at work...
47 posted on 11/18/2001 10:19:50 PM PST by American Soldier
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Ah, all you need now is a little chain mail.

Did you mention something about the Crusades, Mohammed?

48 posted on 11/18/2001 10:31:29 PM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: RichInOC
Somewhere, George S. Patton is grinning from ear to effing ear.

Maybe the Lord allowed him to take a peek because he had finished polishing his bucket of stars.!

49 posted on 11/18/2001 10:38:48 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: vetvetdoug
I remember reading in SOF that the Marines use horses to patrol there camp in Hawaii. When they started they dug up an old copy of the Army Cavalry book.
50 posted on 11/18/2001 11:39:59 PM PST by quietolong
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To: vetvetdoug
I took a dozen West Point Cadets on a tour of Shiloh National Military Park on horseback ten years ago. The horses were fitted with 1959 McClellans, Grimsleys, a Jennifer, and a Texas Jennifer. They learned rapidly and I was impressed at how they listened and performed.

I hope the cadets did as well!

51 posted on 11/18/2001 11:55:55 PM PST by JoeSchem
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To: MeeknMing
Okay, I'm impressed. But those sissy-looking robes have GOT to go. I'm having a hard time picturing a studmuffin Special Forces guy wearing a diaper for a hat and a robe.

Every woman south of the Red River knows that a man riding a horse should be wearing his Ropers, a pair of jeans, and a sufficient amount of leather to make him smell good.

52 posted on 11/19/2001 12:13:43 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: concerned about politics
Gotta keep an eye on these guys.

That's exactly right. And we're doing just that too!:


We're keeping an eye on you!
You too Osama! Can you feel our
HOT breath on your neck?

53 posted on 11/19/2001 12:52:23 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: JoeEveryman
That leads me to believe that the opportunity to train on horseback exists...

Many posts have an equestrian hobby facility there... I think it is popular at Ft. Carson, CO, (now home of the 10th SF Group) although I have never been there. I know it is popular at Ft. Campbell, Ky. (5th SF Group calls Campbell home).

The guys in SF are selected for adaptability and coolness under fire (under pressure), mostly. If they don't know how to ride horses to begin with (and odds are someone in a given team does and can teach his mates) they will learn very fast, fast enough to shock "real" horse people. (Most of them won't learn it as well as they might if they stuck to it, because they will go on to the next challenge).

You would be astonished at the range of skills, the sheer breadth of them, in an SF Company (83 men on paper) or Battalion (just under 400). And if you're not amazed yet, try a National Guard company where the men are mostly ex-active SF who have since developed anywhere from one to a dozen civilian professions each, also, and the teams stay together for many years. They amaze the active guys sometimes.

It takes ten plus years to make a good SF man. Sure he's useful before that but at that point you start to get a guy who can really get along with anybody in the world and work independently if need be. The Army in general hates to spend the time and the money on SF when there are shiny new armored cars and things to buy. Plus, the regular Army is peppered with resentful guys that either tried and failed, or knew better than to try.

But it's money well spent. Once that "click" comes you really have something. And the average guy in SF is both totally wasted and often too bored to stay in a regular "conventional" unit (that's where the National Guard groups get most of their men, active SF that the army tries to assign to conventional units and would rather fight than switch). Finally, a parting thought: the teams really add up to more than the sum of the parts. It's not "rambo" at all, you might not notice any of these guys if you were standing in the movie line with him, it's about how they think, adapt and react to pressure. And 12 of these guys is not like one SF guy twelve times, it's like that guy to the twelfth power.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

54 posted on 11/19/2001 5:58:47 AM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Lady In Blue
Just like "LAWRENCE OF ARABIA!

You got it, Lady. Lawrence's "Seven Pillars of Wisdom" is a very popular book in the SF crowd. SF draws its doctrine largely from the OSS/SOE in World War II which drew heavily on Lawrence as a model.

The hardest ones you have to win over are your own conventional commanders, like Lawrence. And in time you come to identify almost too much with your native (today the politically correct phrase "host nation" is used) counterpart. Like Lawrence.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

55 posted on 11/19/2001 6:06:03 AM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Criminal Number 18F
You got it, Lady. Lawrence's "Seven Pillars of Wisdom" is a very popular book in the SF crowd. SF draws its doctrine largely from the OSS/SOE in World War II which drew heavily on Lawrence as a model.

Recall Lawrence's advice from 7PW to the effect that It is better that they do a thing imperfectly than that you should do it for them perfectly... as to matters of leadership in making command decisions. But that said, target designation for close air support can be particularly costly if done inexpertly, and *El Aurans* did himself take a particularly hands-on approach in the critical planting of explosive *tulips* demolition charges along the Turkish supply line railway tracks.

Somehow, I think that Lawrence's enlisted assistants *Stokes* and *Lewis* would recognize those SF guys and that USAF Combat Controller as kindred fellows, just as the survivors of WWII's *Popskis Private Army* [the British *Desert Rats* 8th Army's jeep mounted recon team operating in Libya, said to have been the *most effective military intelligence gathering unit of the war* by Montgomery] have with members of the SAS mobility troop and certain US vehicle-mounted recon teams.

But of course the SF advisors and USAF air support technicians are NOT cavalry- they're mounted infantry, as were the Australians of the Light Horse who managed that great mounted charge at Beersheeba during WWI.

And fyi, there are still a few infantrymen at Ft. Riley quite capable of serious horsemanship, military and civilian. The term *straight leg infantryman* certainly predates the introduction of the Airborne, and was a term of derision used as much by horse soldiers as by the early paratroopers.

-archy-/-

56 posted on 11/19/2001 8:33:39 AM PST by archy
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To: MeeknMing
Just like TE Lawrence AKA: Lawrence of Arabia.
57 posted on 11/19/2001 8:42:26 AM PST by dstalley
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To: MeeknMing
Gary Owen Bump.
58 posted on 11/19/2001 8:49:30 AM PST by LTCJ
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To: StoneColdGOP
Too funny, I've been having the Magnificent Seven theme going through my head...
59 posted on 11/19/2001 8:51:51 AM PST by in the Arena
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To: JoeSchem
LOL!!! The cadets liked their grain and hay but the horses didn't know how to get into the MRE's!! I'd better construct my sentences a little better....
60 posted on 11/19/2001 11:50:11 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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