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Flight 587 Video Shows 'Puff of Smoke' in Sky
Newsmax ^
| November 17, 2001
| Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
Posted on 11/17/2001 10:58:21 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: Jimhotep
Thank you for the photo's. This looks like kind of a classic failure at an attachment point. There is a local company in Seattle that made its name by having a hole enlargement-metal compression system. so that small stress fractures would not propagate between rivet holes, causing massive failures of panels.
While the attachment points are a totally different kind of thing, and should have been designed to avoid any kind of propagation of stress fractures, weakening the tail and stabalizer, a fatique/materials failure could happen. It would be interesting to know the history on this particular airframe, i.e. whether it had suffered any extreme conditions or was one of the older models in the air. If there isn't such adverse history this could raise some real concerns regarding airbus design techniques toward stress fatique failure.
Thanks again for the factual information.
To: Born to Conserve
You were doing great until you're third paragraph. The A300s (of two models) had already been hit with an AD from the FAA. They ARE ALL already 'grounded' for US and French carriers. Obviously structural (not mechanical) failure is suspectsd.
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11/17/2001 11:44:54 AM PST
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Blueflag
To: EggsAckley
"Jimhotep.................member since November 17th, 2001" What they he!! does that matter? For all you know the guy has been lurking for three years. Only a fool would make such a stupid ad hominum argument. I hope you don't put your head in a microwave with all that aluminum foil on.
To: Jimhotep
Welcome to FR today, Jim. One thing you need to know right now is that whatever the government's final report says, folks around here have already rejected it.
To: Jimhotep
Yup really looks like somebody took those bolts out! lol
Of course next will be that it wasn't the real Vert Stab in the pictures. Sarcasm off.
Overall though this is still a very weird thing....Thanks for the link I'm sending to everyone on my list
To: Native American Female Vet
Thanks for posting the eyewitness account; you posted it on another thread and I've taken the liberty of reposting that when the "gov. speak" gets too strong.
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posted on
11/17/2001 11:47:01 AM PST
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nicmarlo
To: Born to Conserve
"Jimhotep.................member since November 17th, 2001"
What they he!! does that matter? For all you know the guy has been lurking for three years. Only a fool would make such a stupid ad hominum argument. I hope you don't put your head in a microwave with all that aluminum foil on. Take a pill, pal.
To: Zordas
Zordas--- a good look at the rudder's surface, trailing edgeds and hinges might point to flutter as well. Flutter may have been mechanical or structural. We'll all seen photos of a pretty nice looking VS. NO photos of rudder. To be continued ...
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posted on
11/17/2001 11:47:29 AM PST
by
Blueflag
To: concerned about politics
but of course, NTSB provided the evidence there too!Not to mention that well-known civilian aircraft accident investigation agency the CIA!
To: Born to Conserve
Actually the spin would not stay flat for long as the upwind wing will generate more lift than the downwind wing, and the aircraft will roll (swept wings). The aircraft by all accounts, gov't, conspiracy theorists, and eyewitnesses did roll over (not saying inverted) and not just pancake.
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11/17/2001 11:51:35 AM PST
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Blueflag
To: Native American Female Vet
Thanks for that transcript.
If a piece of the wing hit the tail, I would expect to see some damage to the tail. . .
To: Blueflag
So? I predicted it a little after it happened. That's how I loose all my money in the stock market.
To: Native American Female Vet
Very interesting explaination and interview. If correct, then there should be some damage marks on the tail/stabalizer or real of the plane where the wing pannel impact occured. In looking at the photo's I would also expect to see more of a "torgue" or asymetric ripping at the attachment points if this were the cause. But an interesting potential explaination.
To: concerned about politics
While I don't doubt that these "hundreds" of people saw something. I find it interesting how many everyday Americans know exactly what a missile looks like in flight.
I think you "missile" guys hurt your credibilty when you insist it was a missile. Can't you just say that they saw what looked like an object streaking to or near the plane? I also find it interesting that apparently the government is good enough to keep hundreds of people in tow for so many years. This is not 1944 and people will talk for the right price.
Just trying to help but I'm sure somebody will call me names so flame on.......
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To: Born to Conserve
Maybe that's not a real tail. Maybe the REAL Vertical Stabalizer is with JFK, Elvis, and Bill Clinton's Aline Love Child at an 'undisclosed location'???? ;0)
Actually, I'm hoping that this was just one of those freak accidents that happens every so often, but I'm keeping an open mind...
To: EggsAckley
Another ad hominum argument?
To: Chad Fairbanks
Maybe that's not a real tail. Maybe the REAL Vertical Stabalizer is with JFK, Elvis, and Bill Clinton's Aline Love Child at an 'undisclosed location'???? Now that's an interesting thought (just kidding).
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11/17/2001 11:59:03 AM PST
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nicmarlo
To: Born to Conserve
hominumThat's a FUN word to say... just like Kumquat and Jalalabad... ;0)
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