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Freeper Research on Anthrax Perps - Updated 9/17/01
Various FR Posters | 9/17/01 | Various FR Posters

Posted on 11/16/2001 9:32:40 PM PST by Alamo-Girl

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To: quimby
This verifies Nogbad's ealier post.

It verifies much more.
Not only the Steven's letter but others as well were mailed from St. Petersburg.
It is late at night, and I must go to bed, but I shall try to do a search tomorrow.
I remember very, very clearly it was reported that the letter to Stevens had a St. Petersburg postmark,
and this was before any of the other anthrax letters were sent.
Remember, the letter to Stevens was sent shortly after Sept. 11, weeks before the others.
I remember reading on this forum it had a St. Petersburg postmark
because reference was made to many Islamic radicals located at a university near St. Petersburg,
I even remember doing a map search at the time.

21 posted on 11/16/2001 10:23:05 PM PST by Nogbad
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To: Alamo-Girl
I read through each message on the link provided (making money on the internet, send directions) and couldn't help but conclude that this is some kind of coded exchange. Not only are there a few breaks in the original message, one is simply different, more urgent. It also strikes me that they came in intervals, and that there is no posting since the end of October. I am going to go through that more slowly tomorrow to jot down additional thoughts. Right now, it's the format, the break, and the last date that have my attention.

Has there been any consideration given to the targets? Many are quick to blame right wing fringe group or person, but wouldn't their target be someone like Senator Clinton or Kennedy or one of those types. Why Leahy? Perhaps the mailings are issue specific.

22 posted on 11/16/2001 10:23:06 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
Hmmm ... thank you so much for all your observations!

The consensus to date is that the anthrax was not made by the perp but was provided to him.

23 posted on 11/16/2001 10:27:44 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Dolphy
Thank you so very much for your research on the message thread!!! It is a most curious piece of the puzzle and your input is much appreciated.

I haven't seen a thorough debate of the recipients yet. But I agree with you there must be a reason or a thread...

24 posted on 11/16/2001 10:31:39 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
Any country quickly could produce aerosole anthrax derived from the Ames strain once the recipe was known.

According to the Wall Street Journal at most 8 labs have the virulent strain of anthrax that the terrorists used,
and, reading between the lines, they all have been checked and cleared.
I'd say they know where the anthrax came from, they just aren't telling.

25 posted on 11/16/2001 10:31:59 PM PST by Nogbad
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To: Alamo-Girl
him

him again? Why not them? You are obstinate.

26 posted on 11/16/2001 10:33:32 PM PST by Nogbad
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To: Nogbad
The Times letter may have been mailed from St. Petersburg, but it didn't contain anthrax.
The NBC letter is reported in this linked story to have been sent from St. Petersburg, but later stories, and the photos of the letter itself, show that the postmark was Trenton, NJ.
I have not seen any references to the Stevens letter being mailed from St. Petersburg. In fact, I didn't even know that it had been found/recovered. I'll be interested to see what you find on that subject in the search you mention in a later post.
27 posted on 11/16/2001 10:38:16 PM PST by daves_brother
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To: Nogbad; Nita Nupress; quimby
LOL! I guess I am obstinate!

FBI says anthrax arrived in the mail; letter feared lost

AP 10/16/01 “…The anthrax that contaminated a supermarket tabloid building in Florida probably arrived in a letter that was tossed in the trash and burned before investigators looked at it, the FBI said Tuesday. FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela said investigators reached the conclusion after finding anthrax Monday in a Boca Raton postal building that handled mail for tabloid publishing company American Media Inc.

…Authorities say two letters containing anthrax were sent from Trenton, N.J. - one to NBC anchorman Tom Brokaw in New York, the other to the Washington office of Sen. Tom Daschle, D-S.D. Brokaw's assistant has become infected with the skin form of anthrax, a less serious condition than the Florida cases.

…Authorities also said Tuesday that three letters mentioning anthrax were mailed to Brokaw, including the one tainted with the germ.

The second Brokaw letter, postmarked Sept. 20 from St. Petersburg, Fla., contained a powdery substance but tested negative for anthrax. The third letter was mailed Sept. 18 by a New Jersey Statehouse secretary who found it inside a FedEx package sent to the governor's office. …”

28 posted on 11/16/2001 10:45:29 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
I leaped to the conclusion that quimby was speaking of the letter that went to American Media. Sorry about that, quimby!

That is what I initially thought. The letter to American Media. Thats what I thought Nogbad was speaking of. I'm still of the belief that no letter was found there.

29 posted on 11/16/2001 10:46:18 PM PST by quimby
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To: quimby
It is what he meant after all #21 ... please see response at #28.
30 posted on 11/16/2001 10:50:04 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Nogbad
Ooops...my bad. Sorry.
More than one anthrax-related letter to Brokaw. However, the one from St. Petersburg was negative for anthrax according to Alamo-Girl's post. The one with the anthrax was the one postmarked in Trenton.
31 posted on 11/16/2001 10:53:24 PM PST by daves_brother
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To: Alamo-Girl
It is what he meant after all #21 ... please see response at #28.

Got it, thanks.

Just checking google.com for anthrax at www.freerepublic.com-- losts of stuff starting around oct 4.

32 posted on 11/16/2001 11:18:44 PM PST by quimby
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To: Alamo-Girl
You are an amazing human, do you have a job? Do you need an assistant? Thanks for all you do!
33 posted on 11/16/2001 11:19:05 PM PST by No_Doll_i
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
I know you have spent a lot of time on the subject of anthrax, this might "ring" some bells with you.
I'd suggest letting Alamo-Girl know if it does.
34 posted on 11/16/2001 11:26:08 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Alamo-Girl
My turn to thank you for the heads up!
35 posted on 11/16/2001 11:28:01 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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if you see or hear anything that threatens our national security.

36 posted on 11/16/2001 11:30:49 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Nogbad; Alamo-Girl
at least one was mailed from Florida, not far from where Atta lived.

Just a tidbit to tuck away in case it fits in later:

UM employee fired over Sept. 11 remarks

Mohammad Rahat worked as a research technician in two departments of the university (which may have antrax samples?): microbiology and immunology, and surgery/transplants. He was suspended on Sept. 20 and fired on Sept. 25, allegedly for his remarks. But did the universiy suspect him of stealing bacteria or using its facilities for personal projects? It wouldn't be the first "oops!" where an employee is fired for one reason, but the public is given another.

The first case of anthrax turned up in Miami. Did he send some of his "stock" to one of our physician "friends" in Chester? I would think it wouldn't be at all odd for a physician to get a package from the university.

37 posted on 11/16/2001 11:50:34 PM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: *Anthrax_Scare_List
Indexing
38 posted on 11/17/2001 12:04:24 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: Alamo-Girl
Before there was a World Wide Web, there was "gopher space" and "gopher tunnels". The WWW was inspired by the gopher world, and expanded on the concepts. The gopher protocol was very simple -- the servers would manage pages that were either menus, or text pages. Navigation consisted of going from menu to menu to menu to get to the data you were looking for.

There used to be a variety of gopher clients available, but most people accessed the gophers by telneting to a Unix shell account and running a client local to the server.

Out of nostalgia and curiosity, I spent some time nosing around to see if there were still any gopher sites up and running. It seems like there aren't many left. I did finally find a list of "All the Gopher Servers in the World" from http://www.alabanza.com/kabacoff/Inter-Links/gophers.html (all the other gopher servers from that page are dead.)

The root at that site is "Gopher root at gopher.tc.umn.edu" in case anyone is curious. It has a search page (there were lots of gopher search utilities back in the protocol's heyday), and has menu items for other search and index sites.

Why do I mention this here?

Because as I was nosing around, it suddenly occurred to me that a global network of servers (albeit sparse) might be something that some unsavory characters might find convenient. IOW, there might be some stuff of interest there, "hidden in plain sight" as it were.

This may be a lode of unexplored territory.

If anyone feels like exploring, the link above would be a good starting point. Don't be surprised (or discouraged) if most of the gophers are dead.

Internet Explorer supports the gopher protocol. I don't know if "Brand N" does, or if any of the other alternative browsers do. I think Lynx supports it, but don't quote me on that. And there may still be a gopher client or two available for download from tucows or some FTP site somewhere.

39 posted on 11/17/2001 1:54:57 AM PST by Don Joe
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To: Alamo-Girl
Check your FReepmail.
40 posted on 11/17/2001 3:13:22 AM PST by Elenya
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