Air Turbulence May Be Factor in Jetliner Crash, Officials Say

New York Times ^ | 11/14/01 | SHERRI DAY

[Nita Nupress]

Please see my above post. If terrorists in the USA had this capability, we probably wouldn't hear about it unless they were caught with weapon in hand. This kind of news would bring the airline industry to a complete screeching halt.

Anyone know right off hand what the symptoms would be if a plane were targeted by a directional EMP weapon?

U.S. Threatened With EMP Attack

[Map Kernow]

You forgot the most important tool in your box!

A fresh roll of reynolds wrap!

Magic-pulse weapons and secret death rays are useless without it!~

How 'bout BS theories about "involuntary reverse thrust deployment"? Remember pushing that one? You never did state where you got that theory, or how it would explain the flight path the plane took before it crashed. You're the last guy to accuse others of conjuring wild theories, bub.

[slym]

For more on airplanes and EMP, google the name Tom Beardon or go to www.cheniere.org for more info than you ever wanted to know. He's for real, this chap is - - well qualified, recognized in his field and a truthteller.

[jlogajan]

Anyone know right off hand what the symptoms would be if a plane were targeted by a directional EMP weapon?

Give it a rest. If directional EMP weapons can rip planes apart, the US wouldn't be using missiles anymore. Why would backwater terrorists have snazzier technology that we do? Come on!

[RadioAstronomer]

EMP does not cause structural damage. It disrupts non sheilded sensitive electrical systems and causes damage to unsheilded complex electronics such as microchips. An EMP pulse could not cause a wing, tail, or engine to fall off an airliner.

[jwalsh07]

Honeywell Flight Recorder Specs

I don't know what brand was on 587 but I'm sure they are similar if not the same.

[jlogajan]

the fix is in, they are going to lie again

Some people recommend tin foil, but a double layer of wax paper and tin foil will stop those penetrating pesky conspiratorial lies. Try it!

[Dog Gone]

An EMP, if it could be directed (and I have no idea how feasible that is), should be able to completely disable a fly-by-wire system like the Airbus.

But you're right. No pieces would fall off the plane until it hit the ground.

[Nita Nupress]

EMP does not cause structural damage. It disrupts non sheilded sensitive electrical systems and causes damage to unsheilded complex electronics such as microchips. An EMP pulse could not cause a wing, tail, or engine to fall off an airliner.

Thanks! That's what I needed to know.

[RadioAstronomer]

On the other hand, does the A300 have a hydrolic backup? It's an older bird. Also EMP would not cause the noise heard on the cockpit recorders.

[slym]

From "The Reading Room" of www.rumormillnews.com:

From: Andrea Ritze
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 5:20 am
Subject: AA 587 and TWA 800 on Fox News

Tuesday evening on the Fox News Channel program, "O'Reilly Factor," I watched the segment where Bill O'Reilly interviewed "former NTSB investigator" Vernon Grose. While asking questions about the crash of AA 587, O'Reilly said something to the effect that he hoped that the NTSB would not behave like this was a "cover-up," which was the problem surrounding the investigation of TWA 800.

At O'Reilly's association of the word "cover-up" to TWA 800, Vernon Grose reacted positively to this lead-in, which led to O'Reilly's follow-up question. What did Vernon Grose think about the NTSB's official conclusion on TWA 800?

Grose responded that he had interviewed more people than anyone else who worked on the TWA 800 investigation, and that HE WAS NOT SATISFIED with the NTSB's official conclusion for the cause of the crash.

However, there was only the implication that there was a cover-up in the TWA 800 investigation. Grose was not explicit, and O'Reilly went on to the next point.

NOTE: The "O'Reilly Factor" program will repeat (Tuesday night) Wednesday morning from 4am-5am, EST, on the Fox News Channel.

[Dog Gone]

I don't think the A300 has backup hydraulics, but I'm not sure. What I remember is that the manufacturer touted the fact that it had redundant computer systems so that the failure of one or even two wouldn't cause a crash.

But if they all went out at once I think all the pilots could do is watch the view.

[RadioAstronomer]

At one time in my life, I used to work in an EMP shielded facility. We had contiguous welded steel plate completely surrounding the entire building (including the power plant and under the floor). To enter, we had to walk through a steel tunnel with steel RF shielded doors on each end that could only be opened one at a time.

[Nita Nupress]

Give it a rest. If directional EMP weapons can rip planes apart, the US wouldn't be using missiles anymore. Why would backwater terrorists have snazzier technology that we do? Come on!

Do I look like an expert in directional EMP weapons?  Why do you think I flagged intelligent people who were on the EMP thread to answer my questions?  And did you notice your name was not on that ping list, jlogajan? 

You were on one of the other EMP threads that I didn't link here, but I still didn't flag you. That's because in my three years here, I've come to associate the word "jlogajan" with the word "idiot."   You are certainly free to do the same with my name. :)

Now, go away.  I determined long ago that you're nothing but a loser who gets his jollies by denigrating others.   Judging from your reply to me and to someone else in #27, you've certainly reinforced that opinion once again.

[RadioAstronomer]

That would bite. I always thought there should be mechanical backups in all planes. But who am I to say, I am not an airplane designer.

[chadsworth]

Anyone know right off hand what the symptoms would be if a plane were targeted by a directional EMP weapon?

These people ( term used without much discretion) have access to some high level technology in the underground.

I just read an EMP test report that basically said - "Classified". Not much help. I gathered from the article that there is a concern however. If I can find more specific data, I will post it. The article came from

(EMP test report)

[Nita Nupress]

No pieces would fall off the plane until it hit the ground.

I guess I need to go read up on what "mechanical" problems happened on the plane and in what sequence it occurred. I've been too busy to keep up with this for the last 24 hours. The story seems to be changing much faster than I can keep up. Whatever happened to the "bird" explanation?!

(BTW, another root canal coming up. Ugh.)

[Nogbad]

The crash was caused by turbulence,
the anthrax was sent by a nutty professor, working alone.

Let's forget about these stories now and move on.

[slym]

Re EMP, check out Tom Beardon's website (especially the correspondence section). Go to www.cheniere.org for a really informative read!

[Dog Gone]

The bird theory and the turbulence theory are possible explanations that were and should have been explored. I don't think anybody investigating the crash ever said that these had been established as causes.

The one I want to see investigated is whether something exploded in the baggage compartment. But there is apparently no sound of an explosion on the voice recorder, which makes that less likely.

Have fun with that root canal. Remember, it's still better than dentures.