I stated that it will be interesting to see how much of the Patriot Act will survive review by the Supreme Court. He thought about it, and then said alot of it will be thrown out by the the Court.
It's incredible, as an American, to watch as so many of my fellow citizens openly talk of torture and truth serums, sneak and peek, secret trials with secret evidence and other Soviet atrocities as being necessary for the survival of our freedom.
It reminds me of that saying from a few wars ago, "We had to burn the Constitution in order to save it."
But it's truly unsettling to realize how much sense it makes when you think about it.
They've just been extraordinarily successful in utterly destroying our Common Sense, that's all.
Gramsci will be proven correct.
(Would you could come round the corner for a pint and a set by my friend John ... been too long. =)
Let me comment on one thing here -- the "secret trials with secret evidence" comments. We treated the attack on the WTC in 1993 as a crime, not an act of war. We put the terrorists on trial. All sorts of evidence about the structure of the WTC, what forces the building was capable of withstanding, etc. was used as evidence. This very information about the WTC was used by the terrorists in planning their 9/11 attack! Let's not be so stupid as to have another situation like this happen again.