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'Muslim extremists' ignore Vatican, build mosque
AP/Jerusalem Post ^ | 11/14/01 | Laurie Copans

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:51 PM PST by veronica

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To: veronica
I hope the Israelis will be firm on this. Remember who your friends are, I will lose a lot of respect for Sharon if he bows to Muslim pressure here.
161 posted on 11/16/2001 1:16:57 PM PST by Michael2001
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To: thefactor
Your Christianaphobia is showing
162 posted on 11/16/2001 1:16:58 PM PST by Michael2001
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To: SKempis
Whatever the context, the fact that there are episodes in the history of Christianity which were shamefully un-Christ-like is not disputed by anyone who is both honest and informed.

If you want to debate me, please respond to the points I have made. I don't play games.

Pretty funny. There have been times in the history of the world that those calling themselves Christians have behaved in unchristianlike ways, but it is not the fault of the Church as such.

I think you should do more research on the Middle Ages before you, like Voltaire, decide to condemn it completely. As one of my history teachers mentioned, the epochs of history were not actually labeled until the 1700's, when (mosty Deist) historians saw fit to call the expansion of Christianity as "The Dark Ages" and their own time as "The Age of Enlightenment."

I would recommend to you the works of historians Edward Peters and Regine Pernoud.

163 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:06 PM PST by jrherreid
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To: Michael2001
Is that a bad thing for a half-Jew, half-WASP to show? Kidding. I am not scared of religion, just skeptical. I am scared of what some people DO or SAY in the name of religion. Falwell, bin Laden, Jackson, etc... But that is it.
164 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:08 PM PST by thefactor
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Prove it. Please cite any contemporary Catholic sources that agree with this. (Non-Catholic sources can't be trusted on this subject).

Catholic and Protestant sources will tell two different accounts. Both sides wronged each other at various times in history. Historically there were a number of saintly Catholics who lived up to the Christian ideal (I have read and treasured their writings). The same goes for the Protestants.

I think the attrocities committed were motivated by chuch/state intermingling, greed, and lust for power; more likely a political agenda wrapped in a cloak of religion. There always have been, and always will be, wonderful examples of Christianity in both the Catholic and Protestant churches.

165 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:02 PM PST by schmelvin
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To: yurigagarin
unfortunately the spanish church in the early days of spanish new mexico was complicit in unwarranted brutality, although in the centuries since their presence has been much more benevolent.

I agree that this applies to many of the Franciscan friars, who at that time were quite corrupt. However, the Jesuit missions in Paraguay were so successful and beneficient that many natives flocked to them to escape the slave traders. As no good deed goes unpunished, this success contributed to the Jesuits' suppression at the close of the 18th century. (Incidentally, the slave trade was also officially condemned by the papacy within the lifetime of Christopher Columbus).

166 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:03 PM PST by Dumb_Ox
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To: SKempis
Do you belive that the only reason they punished people for having a Bible was because it was expensive?

Who said anything about punishing people for having a Bible? Certain translations were no doubt suppressed, as counterfeit currency or fraudulent deeds would have been destroyed. This was a particular problem with the advent of the printing press, when any man with a bit of money and some Greek and Latin could crank out a version. But Sir Thomas More, in his Dialogue Concerning Heresies, notes that English law only forbade Luther and Tyndale-influenced versions, as those were of dubious accuracy and deviated from Christian orthodoxy. More, being a man of Law himself, should know more about then-contemporary English law than either of us. I will not speak about the rest of European law, since I am less familiar with its Reformation-era history.

167 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:16 PM PST by Dumb_Ox
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To: thefactor
I have issues with Falwell, but the fact that you compare him to Bin Laden is simply more evidence of your bias.
168 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:05 PM PST by Michael2001
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To: Michael2001
I only said I don't like what some people do or say in the name of religion. That is a big range of possibilities. Of course I don't think Jerry and Osama are on the same level, but when Falwell opens his mouth he can do a lot of damage and makes it nearly impossible for certain groups to be united or at least be civil to eachother. This is not akin to killing 5000 people, but can be very counterproductive just the same. Yes I am biased. I respect peoples faith but just don't like it when it causes them to shun, or downright hate, other people.
169 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:34 PM PST by thefactor
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