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Thanks to s2baccha for giving the link to this article on another thread.

1 posted on 11/12/2001 10:05:23 AM PST by Fixit
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To: Fixit
Sorry, I blew the date, it is the 2nd, not the 12th.
2 posted on 11/12/2001 10:06:57 AM PST by Fixit
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To: Fixit
According to Mr.Gross on Fox News, a former NTSB official, it can't possibly be the GE engines that caused this crash.
It's gotten to the place where I don't believe anything the media tells me about ANYTHING.
4 posted on 11/12/2001 10:22:01 AM PST by MamaLucci
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To: Fixit
Great post....thanks
12 posted on 11/12/2001 10:49:35 AM PST by Rustybyrd
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To: Fixit
From the NTSB Safety Recommendation A00_121_124, dated December 12, 2000, dealing with an on-ground unconstrained engine failure of a GE CF6 mounted on a Boeing 767 (see http://www.ntsb.gov/recs/letters/2000/A00_121_124.pdf).

"This incident raises serious safety concerns because, if it had occurred during flight rather than on the ground during maintenance, the airplane might not have been able to maintain safe flight. Examination of the airplane revealed that a portion of the HPT stage 1 disk penetrated the left wing just inboard of the No. 1 engine pylon. Investigators determined that this portion of the disk, which is approximately 140 square inches and 45 pounds, penetrated a dry bay, made a 1-inch-wide vertical cut through the lower half of the forward wing spar, and penetrated a fuel tank before exiting through the top of the wing and passing over the fuselage. Examination of the engine revealed that the disk rupture split the engine in half, leaving the rear of the engine joined to the front only by the fan midshaft. The disk had separated from the shaft and was completely missing from the engine. Two pieces of the disk, which amounted to about two-thirds of it, and three blade slot posts were recovered. Although an extensive search was conducted, the remaining one-third of the ruptured disk (the piece that passed through the wing) was not recovered. Trajectory analysis performed by the Safety Board indicates that it may have landed in the Delaware River, which is adjacent to the airport."

The problem is that the wreakage fell into 4 areas -- the wing pieces in the Bay, the gas station, the main wreakage, and additional unspecified wreakage several blocks away. It seems very improbable that an "unconstrained engine failure" would cause the breakage of the airplane into those separate parts. However, if the rear part of the spool disintegrated, it may be possible to break the wing spar causing the wing to break, and this might strike the tail surfaces.

It is unclear from ongoing TV reports whether the debris in Jamaica bay is wing or tail. An early report said that the divers in the Bay were searching for the flight recorders, which would indicate that it is the tail section. The recorders have been reported as found, but I haven't heard where they were found.

13 posted on 11/12/2001 10:50:42 AM PST by Lessismore
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To: Fixit
So, bottom line, how many airliners have exploded due to this kind of problem?
18 posted on 11/12/2001 11:53:06 AM PST by Clinton's a rapist
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To: Fixit
can you say, "time to short GE"!
22 posted on 11/12/2001 12:42:37 PM PST by Muckraker
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And you decided to post a one-year-old article because...?
23 posted on 11/12/2001 12:58:30 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: Fixit
So I guess we'll be seeing all the planes with GE engines grounded for inspections and retrofits real soon now, right?
24 posted on 11/12/2001 1:04:57 PM PST by Clinton's a rapist
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To: Fixit
Back in days of yore, I served in the USMC, in various aviation squadrons. Two of them were F/A-18 outfits, and the F404-GE-400 was the F-18's engine. They had a nasty habit of exploding when the pilot hit the afterburner.

Nice to know that the entire company's product line is a load of Hillary...

26 posted on 11/12/2001 1:24:06 PM PST by Poohbah
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Hey thanks for the shout out. I searched Google at about noon central time for "CF-6 GE crash". Pretty freakin' amazing isn't. Not a word about this in the mainstream. Isn't this usually Drudge territory?

I haven't checked, but I wonder if even the Wall Street Journal has noticed this. Isn't this something that can be easily found through a Nexis search?

Anyone know if NBC has said anything about the engine yet, and if so did they give the now customary "which is the parent company of this network" disclaimer.

I don't post a lot, but I'd just like to thank all the freepers for helping me stay informed.

38 posted on 11/12/2001 6:57:09 PM PST by s2baccha
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To: Fixit
I used to build these engines; GE had very tight inspection controls; this author is not very familiar with physics in general and totally naive concerning jet engines in particular.

Excessive use is an airline problem, not a manufacturing problem.

Big birds have an unfortunate habit of committing suicide through "ingestion"; if I am not mistaken, the first jet-engine aircraft sucked a duck and died.

41 posted on 11/12/2001 7:56:27 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Fixit
Thanks for anti-tin foil post, we needed it.
44 posted on 11/13/2001 7:07:20 AM PST by petbop
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To: Fixit
Just heard on NPR news that NTSB investigators are backtracking on the engine failure explanation. According to the report, investigators are "puzzled" by the scattering of the wreckage, and especially the loss of the tail section, and there are now "more questions than answers."

Looks like the "tin-foilers" and "conspiracy theorists" on here yesterday did a better job of diagnosing the situation from behind their computer keyboards than the FBI, NTSB and Gov. Pataki. Unfortunately, that means the probability is that OBL wasn't kidding when he forecast a "rain of aeroplanes."

45 posted on 11/13/2001 7:15:04 AM PST by Clinton's a rapist
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