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Passenger Plane Crash in Queens NYC!
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Posted on 11/12/2001 5:30:38 AM PST by Attila_the_Hun

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To: Terrorista Nada
The government will cover it up to keep the airlines in business, just like they did Flight 800.

I agree, but flight 800 was because Clinton didn't want to be bothered with it, and this one has the countries economy riding on it.

This one HAS to be covered. America can't afford it.

881 posted on 11/12/2001 11:29:23 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
Nothing to see here....move along......

You're James Kallstrom aren't you?

882 posted on 11/12/2001 11:31:18 AM PST by Nitro
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To: Nitro
You managed to find one of the strangest mounts I have ever seen. Is that a fifth engine mounted on a 747?
883 posted on 11/12/2001 11:33:25 AM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Nitro
Is James great lookin?

ABC had an eyewitness on the air..very detailed...she was on for 5 minutes talking to Jennings..she said her and her husband saw the whole thing.... they were looking towards the airport and watched the plane rise...was watching the plane and she saw a flash were the wing meets the fusilage. Everything was ok before that there was no smoke or anything before the flash. Then she said the plane broke into serveral peices and spun nose first down ( from another thread)

884 posted on 11/12/2001 11:34:36 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Terrorista Nada
And they sabotaged the turbines to fail on take off over a populated area...or somehow...they've developed a Stinger missile with no visible smoke trail. Hmmm..maybe the previous posters were right and it was shot out of the sky by a bunch of Islamic fundamentalists armed with 30.06s. Or perhaps they had three hundred trained falcons that attacked the engine all at once and caused a massive FOD.

Thanks, no. I'll stick with what I've seen and heard so far, and my experience with aircraft engines and their failure modes.

885 posted on 11/12/2001 11:36:29 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: hellinahandcart
The terrorists would never attack the U.N., IMO. It's the most anti-American slice of real estate in the hemisphere. All their damned buddies are in there.

bin Laden sure didn't sound aware of that when he criticized the UN.

886 posted on 11/12/2001 11:37:33 AM PST by aristeides
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To: Doe Eyes
Yes, it is. You have a good eye. I just searched for jet +engine +pylon +photo and that is what I found. I was mainly interested in the attachment method though.


887 posted on 11/12/2001 11:39:34 AM PST by Nitro
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To: concerned about politics
PS....Plane was last serviced on 11-11-01....yesterday.
888 posted on 11/12/2001 11:40:13 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
I guess you could say he is rugged looking.

So far very conflicting reports, yours says no smoke, another says the pilot in the plane behind this one saw a smoke trail upon takeoff, yet another says explosion and even yet another says no explosion.

I have turned off the coverage for a while till they get their sh*t in one sock!!

889 posted on 11/12/2001 11:43:31 AM PST by Nitro
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To: concerned about politics
The observed behaviors are seem within the range of normal for a flight crew busy discovering, troubleshooting and reacting to a sudden inflight emergency.

Once they determine that an emergency exists, they are entitled to take any action they deem appropriate to preserve the safety of the flight. That means they can deviate from their clearance or even ignore communications or instructions from the ground. Usually the flight crew will communicate that an emergency exists and its nature to the tower but even that is optional and generally waits until a convenient time.

The FAA and the NTSB can later second guess whether the actions taken during the emergency were apporpriate or whether the pilot is culpable in allowing the situation to turn in to an emergency in the first place, but they cannot charge the pilot with violating Federal Aviation Regulations (FARs) during the emergency if the actions were justifiably aimed at preserving the safety of the flight.

This is a level of responsibility not enjoyed very often in our society.

891 posted on 11/12/2001 11:47:45 AM PST by 5by5
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Look at post #884. Yeah, the one just above your's. Eyewitness: saw a flash at the wing root, nothing unusual, no smoke beforehand unlike those unattributed "pilot of the plane behind this one" reports. It's American, it's New York, baggage screening still sucks, Bush and the UNGA are in town, Osama said more would crash. I have no dog in this fight, but excuuuuuuuse me for thinking it is more likely a bomb than a spontaneous catastrophic failure.

Ever been in bad (stuff flying all over the cabin, people screaming) turbulence? Your biggest worry is the seatbelt giving way and you breaking your neck against the cabin interior. Wings don't fall off, even when it feels like Mother Nature is PMSing all over the plane.

892 posted on 11/12/2001 11:48:38 AM PST by eno_
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To: undergroundwarrior
"Come on. Be serious. Or at least wait for some evidence."

When an incident is "covered up," you don't see the evidence. That's why they call it a "cover up," I'm told.

General Meyers, on all TV networks in an interview recently, stated that the al Qaeda terrorits have "300 to 400 Stinger missiles." (anti-aircraft missiles) I'm not saying it was a Stinger, yet.

893 posted on 11/12/2001 11:54:05 AM PST by Terrorista Nada
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To: Tennessee_Bob
F.O.D. (Foreign Object Damage)... very easy to do. Just through a monkey wrench in the engine, or leave it on an inlet cowling. And the newest Stingers I've seen leave no smoke trail.
894 posted on 11/12/2001 12:01:30 PM PST by Terrorista Nada
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To: Terrorista Nada
Correct me if I am wrong: Wouldn't a stinger missile leave a smoke trail??? Wouldn't a stinger missile be visible on radar screens???

Even if the government covered it up, wouldn't average people be blabbering to the press???

Besides, wouldn't a terrorist attack be more beneficial than a mechanical failure??? A mechanical failure would cause major overhauls of all Airbus 300 planes and destroy the airline industry. A terrorist attack would result in "tighter security measures". A terrorist attack would not destroy the insurance industry the same way as would a mechanical failure.

895 posted on 11/12/2001 12:01:38 PM PST by undergroundwarrior
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To: Terrorista Nada
( mulitible browsers, reading other posts....)One question, How could they possibly know already, and actually right after the crash, that it was not a terrorist attack?

Whenever the plane paieces were still scorching and too hot to touch, we were reassured that there was no evidence that this was a terrorist attack.

896 posted on 11/12/2001 12:03:35 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: undergroundwarrior
Even if the government covered it up, wouldn't average people be blabbering to the press???

They did for TWA 800, but nobody cared to hear them. There were hundreds of people. Bill simply called them liars. Go figure.

897 posted on 11/12/2001 12:06:24 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
Have to admit it. I am not convinced about TWA 800.
898 posted on 11/12/2001 12:08:48 PM PST by undergroundwarrior
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To: undergroundwarrior
Have to admit it. I am not convinced about TWA 800.

That's the problem. If all records and reports were released, there would be no question, aye?

899 posted on 11/12/2001 12:12:47 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: MindBender26
That's too good. You're hollering about repeated information, but you post the identical message three times.
900 posted on 11/12/2001 12:13:12 PM PST by TheRealLobo
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