Discovery In North China Challenges Theory On Origin Of Man

Xinhuanet ^ | 11-09-2001

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[Atilla_the_Hun]

... I also know that I have more education than my grandparents and my mother, though less than my father.

Just a hunch, if you replace "education" with "propaganda", you may have a point.

Regarding evolution of man, looking at your grandparents, parents and yourself is just "too little time". But, throwing your bones in the desert, along with all your siblings for ten thousand years, we may have something to talk about...

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[Fiddlstix]

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[RightWhale]

What are they trying to prove in China? That they are racists?

[NilesJo]

"There's only two theories, and one of them has to be wrong," says Thorne.

Or there's the other possibility that they are BOTH WRONG!

[blam]

"What are they trying to prove in China? That they are racists?"

There are a lot of 'out of China' Chinese scientists. They are the same ones who hid (for years) the 6k year old Caucasian mummies found in the Tarim Basin, China.

[blam]

"Or there's the other possibility that they are BOTH WRONG!"

I've never heard of the 'both wrong' theory. Who is the author of that theory? Is he published?

[blam]

"I just started reading a book called the 12th planet by Zacharia Sitchin. He's going into detail of how the Sumerian civilization (considered the earliest known) was very advanced and how odd it is that they had such a developed infrastructure, economy, (written)language, government, laws, medicine etc.. that seemed to spring up out of nowhere basically after the last ice age, with no known progenitor(s)."

Does lead one to think we are missing" something some where, huh? The Sumerians arose shortly after the end of the Last Ice Age, I have some suspicions about that. Also, there is some evidence that the Indus Valley civilizations may predate the Sumerians.

[Ohioan]

This revives the pre-Darwinian debate between the Monogenesists and the Polygenesists, and also brings to mind the studies of the great Naturalist Louis Agassiz that demonstrated that clear patterns of different fauna also accompanied the different types of man in the different regions of the world. There has long been such a body of evidence that supports the view of separate creations, or else a very, very ancient branching of all major species.

Of course, the argument raised by the modern Monogenesists that seeks to trivialize racial differences on the basis of a common human ancestor 150,000 years ago, is absurd on its face. Whether or not the races of man developed immediately before the historic period, or at a vastly earlier period; races are clearly works in progress. One can demonstrate profound changes in types of ability and definable traits from selective breeding patterns in a very few generations. So the argument--relied upon by Clinton and the like, in their recitation of how few genetic factors actually control our differences--is absolutely meaningless.

Men have clearly been racially different for longer than Beagles have been different from Foxes or Wolves, or whatever their nearest cousins may be; and the human differences are just as profound. That doesn't put anyone down. It is simply an acknowledgement of how unique we all are.

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[history_matters]

Cataclysm and rebirth are clearly part of the picture for life on earth. I believe it was Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision that first popularized the theory, and he was greatly ridiculed at the time. It is difficult to find scientists who do not accept catastrophism in some fashion.

Outside the realm of science, the Falun Gong are taught by their Master that the earth has been subjected to more than eighty cycles of catastrophic destruction followed by rebirth among the surviving human beings and other creatures.

Jews and Christians accept Noah's Flood as such an event, and I do not doubt that there is more to the story. There have been those among Jewish and Christian theologians who believed and taught that there was a pre-Adamic civilization (or civilizations) that were destroyed.

[Ciexyz]

I took a Bible class where the Assembly of God pastor postulated that there was a pre-Adamic civilization of which we know nothing. Evidence for this is the age of dinosaurs. We know they existed, but there's no revelation of them in the Bible. Therefore, believers shouldn't let this fact disturb their faith. What's revealed in the Bible is the information that God protected as it was passed down to us. Maybe that's all our ancestors could deal with at the time.

[PatrickHenry]

Get in here; it's been too long since we had a stimulating thread.

[blam]

"Men have clearly been racially different for longer than Beagles have been different from Foxes or Wolves, or whatever their nearest cousins may be; and the human differences are just as profound. That doesn't put anyone down. It is simply an acknowledgement of how unique we all are."

I agree. However, foxes are closer related to cats than to dogs. DNA indicates that dogs have been domesticated at least four different times and in all cases from wolves.

[blam]

"There have been those among Jewish and Christian theologians who believed and taught that there was a pre-Adamic civilization (or civilizations) that were destroyed."

I lean very heavily in that direction.

[Graewoulf]

Excellent post and detailed reply! Keep up the good work!

It is painful to read our liberal rags in search of articles such as yours. Thanks for saving me from the pain of having to go to "the media" in search of information.

[medved]

The latest archaeological discovery at the Old Stone Age ruins in Yangyuan County, north China's Hebei Province, proves that human activities began in east Asia some 2 million years ago, archaeological sources said. Chinese archaeologists unearthed more than 800 stone tools and animal skeletons left over by the ancients at historical ruins in a stratum dating back around 2 million years.

The problem, other than the usual and obvious problem of circularity inherent in dating strata from fossils and then dating fossils from strata, is that the people making these claims for timeframes are the same people who tell us that dinosaurs lived 70 million years ago, and that is now KNOWN to be BS:

[history_matters]

Origin of Man theories are also going through quite a war over the Neanderthals. (Let's not forget the "ginger" gene.) So as a fair-skinned redhead with freckled arms, I am especially interested in the revisionists work disputing the claims of diminished brain capacity, wanton violence and cannibalism. I find it tremendously fascinating that the evidence we have shows that Neanderthals buried their dead with complex burial rituals and great care long before their hominid cousins.

I have a strong suspicion that if the DNA of many a redhead were mapped, some scientists would find themselves revising their theory that Neanderthals died out and did not intermarry.

[blam]

(Welcome to Free Republic, history_matters. This article may interest you.)

Redheads 'are neanderthal'

BY A CORRESPONDENT

RED hair may be the genetic legacy of Neanderthals, scientists believe.

Researchers at the John Radcliffe Institute of Molecular Medicine in Oxford say that the so-called “ginger gene” which gives people red hair, fair skin and freckles could be up to 100,000 years old.

They claim that their discovery points to the gene having originated in Neanderthal man who lived in Europe for 200,000 years before Homo sapien settlers, the ancestors of modern man, arrived from Africa about 40,000 years ago.

Rosalind Harding, the research team leader, said: “The gene is certainly older than 50,000 years and it could be as old as 100,000 years.

“An explanation is that it comes from Neanderthals.” It is estimated that at least 10 per cent of Scots have red hair and a further 40 per cent carry the gene responsible, which could account for their once fearsome reputation as fighters.

Neanderthals have been characterised as migrant hunters and violent cannibals who probably ate most of their meat raw. They were taller and stockier than Homo sapiens, but with shorter limbs, bigger faces and noses, receding chins and low foreheads.

The two species overlapped for a period of time and the Oxford research appears to suggests that they must have successfully interbred for the “ginger gene” to survive. Neanderthals became extinct about 28,000 years ago, the last dying out in southern Spain and southwest France.

(I believe that we are Neanderthal, we are them. We did not die out)

[medved]

Research on neanderthal DNA showed it to be "about halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee". No way we could interbreed with, or conceivably be descended from them. Moreover, that says the chain of evolution is broken at the top, and not at the bottom. To believe modern man evolved, you would have to come up with some plausible ancestor, i.e. some hominid CLOSER to us THAN the neanderthal and, since neanderthal works and remains are all over the place and since this closer hominid would have to stand closer to us in both time and morphology THAN the neanderthal, his works and remains should be very easy to find. In real life, no such thing has ever been found, no such creature ever existed.

That leaves three possibilities, none of which resemble evolution in any way, shape, or manner:

• Modern man was created from scratch.
• Modern man was imported from somewhere else.
• Modern man was genetically reengineered from the neanderthal, much as one makes fancy kit cars from old VWs.