‘WE'RE GOING TO CONQUER AMERICA'

New York Post ^ | 11/12/01 | DANIEL PIPES

[kattracks]

November 12, 2001 --

[mercy]

Eric you fail to grasp the essentials of this problem. Where does freedom come from? Why is it right and proper that man be free? Because a bunch of landed slave owning white guys got together in the latter seventeen hundreds and SAID so?

This idea that man has a RIGHT to freedom is a very new idea on this planet. It needs a solid base to hold it up. That base is the base described in the Declaration of Independance. Freedom is a DEVINE right. Remove this base and freedom becomes something granted by government as the EU maintains.

But then one must ask ... WHAT devinity grants this right? If you pretend .... as you do .... that this is an irrelevant arguement then you leave yourself wide open to having the base 'switched out' on you while your not paying attention. The God we believe gave us unallienable rights is the God of the Bible. You can bitch all you want about this and you can pretend it is not true like the Libertarians wish to do .... but it is the truth and you cannot change it.

[Aric2000]

And you are full of it, "endowed by our CREATOR" no matter whom we believe that creator to be.

Creator, NOT God, they used creator because of that VERY fact that you state. The only people that do Not believe in a creator are athiests, other then that, I am RIGHT, and you ARE wrong!!

Sorry, but the Christian god is not necessary to make the above statement true.

[Johnny Shear]

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[mercy]

I said Bible. That means Judeao-Christian. You think they had some OTHER creator in mind? No. How'd you like to have Allah as that creator. A 'god' whose prophet raped and pilliaged his way into prominence. Or maybe one of the dozens and dozens of Hindu 'gods'. Nope. This is a Judeao-Christian nation. Always has been and when it stops being one the citizens of this land can bend over and kiss their butts goodbye.

You must deny history and the facts to believe what you believe. You live in a dream world.

[Aric2000]

The founding fathers were Deists, or do you not know your history. It does not matter who you believe your creator to be, as long as the constitution takes precedence over anything else.

] Your judeo christian nonsense is fun for a laugh, but it is nonsense.

[mercy]

Yer funny! Your history is revisionist and your view of the reality around you is self constructed. You, a member of a small minority in this country that claims to love it and yet refuse to accept it's cultural heritage call me, an ordinary mainstream Joe who believes what they taught me in 8th grade history class (40 years ago) a wierdo.

You are a radical that wants to institute some new culture with the constitutuion in the place of foundational religious values. It won't work. It would never stand the test of time.

It's values that hold a people together not law. The law flows FROM a peoples values not vice versa.

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[RickyJ]

Deport them. ALL of them. Get them out of here. I don't want them to direct me in the way of Allah. I pay taxes...keep the illegal muslims out of this country, and put the crazy ones in jail....Just get them away from ME.

You have nothing to fear from Muslims, didn't you here our President say Muslims were peace loving people.

LOL!

If we weren't a Christian nation we would have exterminated Muslims from the face of the earth by now.

[Aric2000]

Give me a fricking break, ever heard of the first amendment, and I am not a revisionist, ever read about Thomas Jefferson, what about Benjamin Frankilin, specifically? Not some general history book, but about thier lives?

Your Christian Arrogance is showing BIG TIME!!

This country was founded on the principle of FREEDOM, of speech, of religion, etc, etc, Not on Religious grounds.

Whomever spouts that Morality can ONLY be found through Christianity is full of themselves, because Morality CAN and IS found elsewhere.

It's sad if it takes the threat of rotting in eternal flame for a person to be MORAL. It does not take a threat for me, I do it, because it is the RIGHT thing to do.

But above it all for me is the constitution of the United States, which states what powers my government is limited to, and what rights they are not allowed to infringe upon.

One of those is religion, you ARE NOT allowed to force your religion upon me through the government, PERIOD, even though it sounds like you would LOVE to try. Just as I am not allowed to force my religion upon you through the government, even though that is one thing that I would not dream of doing.

You are another one of those minority of Christians who are so arrogant about thier religion, and so self righteous in your beliefs, that no matter what FACTS I give you, you will call me revisionist, because facts are NOT what you are indeed interested in.

You have a worldview that is NOT based on Facts, but based on your religion, which is fine, but don't expect me to debate you with facts then, because it won't do me any good.

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[cynwoody]

"* Siraj Wahaj, the first imam to deliver a Muslim prayer for the U.S. House of Representatives, holds that if Muslims unite, they could elect their own leader as president; "take my word, if 6-8 million Muslims unite in America, the country will come to us."

"But we must perform trickery and sneaky tactics. We must not choose a candidate who is overtly Muslim, we will use the American stealth plan. We have chosen an infidel candidate to support, we are firmly entrenched in her pockets, and when she is elected we will cast her aside. Our plan is working, heh heh, stupid American infidels... All your bases..."

There is no danger of the US evolving into an Islamic republic through any means, legal and democratic or otherwise. The country is simply too secular!

But if it ever did happen, I expect there would be a severe reaction. There would be a fascist revolution followed by a pogrom against the Muslims that would make the Final Solution look like a bar fight.

[Dr. Good Will Hunting]

There have been many pro-Islam TV specials since 9/11...I find this ironic. On a happier note, check out this

[cynwoody]

American Muslims who would replace our Constitution with the Sharia need to be put on notice that, if they succeed in shredding the Constitution, they will forfeit its protection. And their lives.

[truth_seeker]

Muslims also seem to be inordinately adept at propoganda.

If you mean positive propaganda, then respectfully disagree. Maybe among their own mindless robots, but not among Americans and I suspect Europeans. Latest Zogby poll shows a big drop in Americans opinion about Arabs, which I infer also means Islam.

[rockfish59]

their names all sound exactly like a big loogy i hock up and spit out!

[Don Joe]

"What the mullahs are really afraid of is that their young people may decide ... that they prefer to study engineering..."

They didn't raise a ruckus when OBL studied it.

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