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To: CCWoody
... not willing that any should perish,...

Does this mean that since God wills that not any should perish, none will perish?

Just because God's will is that certain things should happen doesn't mean that they will happen. God will never override a person's free agency to choose evil over good if it is that person's choice. If a person chooses to not be saved, God is not going to force that person into heaven. You may be one of the elect, but you can always choose to become un-elect.

Otherwise there'd be no point in God exhorting us to "endure to the end".

83 posted on 11/11/2001 11:41:38 AM PST by CubicleGuy
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To: CubicleGuy; Jerry_M; thinkaboutit
Does this mean that since God wills that not any should perish, none will perish?

Read the context of the verse and understand just exactly who it is that the us are:

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise [to us], as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any [of us] should perish, but that all [of us] should come to repentance.
Just because God's will is that certain things should happen doesn't mean that they will happen. God will never override a person's free agency to choose evil over good if it is that person's choice. If a person chooses to not be saved, God is not going to force that person into heaven. You may be one of the elect, but you can always choose to become un-elect.

No, the scripture explicitly says that His will be done. No purpose of man will ever thwart even the pleasure of God:

Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is none other; I am God, and there is none like Me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, `My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure,'
And you do not understand man's freewill choice between good and evil. Man alway's freely chooses evil over good:
As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one; there is none that understandeth; there is none that seeketh after God. They have all gone from the way; they have together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one." "Their throat is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have used deceit." "The poison of asps is under their lips," "whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness." "Their feet are swift to shed blood; destruction and misery are in their ways, and the way of peace have they not known." "There is no fear of God before their eyes."
And you do not understand how election is determined:
No man can come to Me unless the Father who hath sent Me draw him; and I will raise him up at the Last Day.

All that the Father giveth Me shall come to Me, and him that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.

And this is the Father's will who hath sent Me, that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the Last Day.

Otherwise there'd be no point in God exhorting us to "endure to the end".

So you say! You need to get out of your mormon box of thought and begin to not only read, but also understand the Word of God.

90 posted on 11/12/2001 9:45:54 AM PST by CCWoody
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