Would You Die For Your Faith?

The Spectator ^ | 10 Novem., 2001 | Katie Grant

[RnMomof7]

Speaks volumes, doesn't it!

Wait dont tell me...ummmmm the preservation of the saints *grin*

[CCWoody]

Die for my faith? No. Live for my faith! Yes.

I remember a young girl in Columbine who said YES moments before either Eric or Dylan put a bullet in her head:

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them!

[CCWoody]

My objective would be to make others die for their faith

Kinda like the Taliban are doing right now; dying for their faith?

,as for myself Id accept Allah and make any apologies later and join a resistance movement,people have a habit of being more useful alive.

This statement is anti-Christ on many levels:

Reason 1)

For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand; I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.

Reason 2)

Whosoever therefore shall confess Me before men, him will I confess also before My Father who is in Heaven. But whosoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before My Father who is in Heaven.

Reason 3)

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for My sake and the Gospel's, the same shall save it.

Reason 4)

For unto you it is given on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake, having the same conflict which ye saw in me, and now hear to be in me.

Reason 5)

And ye shall be betrayed both by parents and brethren and kinsfolk and friends, and some of you they shall cause to be put to death. And ye shall be hated by all men for My name's sake.

Reason 6)

The 10/40 window of the Islam world will be opened with sand wet with the blood of the saints:

The history of the expansion of Christianity has proved that "the blood the the martyrs is seed" - the seed of new life in Christ spreading through the world. For almost three hundred years Christianity grew in soil that was wet with the blood of the martyrs.- John Piper from Desiring God

Reason 7)

And when He had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the Word of God, and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost Thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?" And white robes were given unto every one of them, and it was said unto them that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants and also their brethren, who were to be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

For it is written: Precious in His sight is the blood of His saints and elsewhere Precious in His sight is the death of His saints.

[CCWoody]

No, I believe there have been plenty of martyrs; far, far too many martyrs.

How warped! There have not yet been enough martyrs:

And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost Thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?" And white robes were given unto every one of them, and it was said unto them that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants and also their brethren, who were to be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

[RnMomof7]

The history of the expansion of Christianity has proved that "the blood the the martyrs is seed" - the seed of new life in Christ spreading through the world. For almost three hundred years Christianity grew in soil that was wet with the blood of the martyrs.- John Piper from Desiring God

Excellent post Woody..and a Piper ping!

[CCWoody]

According to Peter, there is no "once saved, always saved", because he acknowledges the idea that one can "turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them".

Spreading mormon lies I see. The verse you quote is talking about self washed persons who have not been washed by the Holy Spirit. They were never saved. Peter most definitely affirms that once God has saved a saint, that they will be preserved forever:

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you and peace be multiplied.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that fadeth not away, reserved in Heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not His saints; they are preserved for ever, but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.

[CCWoody]

See the picture worth only 1 word....

[CCWoody]

Sometimes I pity the Muslims, seeing them as fellow descendants of Abraham, targeted by the evil one not like us -- Christians and Jews -- by temptation to deficient faith (atheism and idolatry), but to a faith that's robust but disordered: irrational, fanatic, cut off from both the Law and Mercy. But in the end, it all points back to Abraham -- does it not? -- and especially to his charitable, hospitable, life-loving monotheism that the adversary so despises.

Huh?

[Campion]

Moreover, I have a suspicion that, faced with the threat 'convert or die', the instincts of even Catholic and Anglican bishops would be to compromise.

Yes. Some of them are apostates. The streets of hell are still paved with the skulls of bishops; little has changed since St. Augustine's time.

Since Vatican II, Catholics could certainly do so.

Could certainly do what?

Someone ought to acquaint this author with the fact that Catholics are still being killed for their faith ... in places like Sudan, East Timor, and Pakistan.

And his odd assessment of Vatican II is ... odd.

[Jerry_M]

I have refrained from posting to this thread previously due to the fact that it is not within my power to die for my faith.

Of course, it is also not within my power to live for my faith either!

And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. - Luke 9:23,24

[Governor StrangeReno]

For I will gather the nations against Jerusalem to battle and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women ravished Zech 14:1(God really looks after those jews

Behold I will corrupt your seed and spread dung upon your faces Malachi 2:3

I will take your eyes and give them to your neighbour and he shall lie with your wives 2 Sam 12:11

But God will shatter the heads of his enemies Psalms 68:21

Saul has slaid his thousands David his ten thousands 1 Sam 21:11

I will greatly multiply your pain in child bearing Genesis 3:16

I will strew your flesh upon the mountains and fill the valleys with your carcass.I will drench the land even to the mountains with your flowing blood Ezek 32:5...

That your God is a soul hunter Im sure but the muslims are right Allah is God the Father I would also add the names Satan and Seth,no Ill not be a soul under his counter hes a LUNATIC.

[RnMomof7]

That is discusting!An abomination before God!

The church built on the 7 hills of Revelation shows its true colors.....

[RnMomof7]

And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. - Luke 9:23,24

I have always seen His cross was His submission to the Fathers will...and that was what he asks of us..to "pick up that cross" submit to our God..

You know Jery I have always had a "whatever" attitude to my life since I became a Christian....I really believe that I can do all things through Christ that strength me.....I do not need to know what the future holds....You are right we neithor live nor die in our own strength

[Khepera]

Die? Christians don't die!! they have everlasting life.

[CCWoody]

Good point! We will drink whatever portion of the cup that the LORD gives us.

[imperator2]

NO! I'D RATHER MAKE THE ENEMY DIE FOR THEIRS!

[cardinal4]

Killing in the name of Allah,or God,or whomever you choose to believe in,is a crime before the same God your are worshiping.I cant speak for Islam,but the God I was brought up to believe in doesnt condone or accept terrorism in the name of God.Yes I know,the crusades and all that,but that was 800 years ago!

[Kevin Curry]

In and of itself, to die for one's faith is a meaningless and vain act. For a Christian, all that matters is to faithfully do the will of God.

The question might be rephrased meaningfully as follows: if faithfully doing the will of God would result in your temporal death, would you nevertheless accept God's will over your own?

[CCWoody]

For I will gather the nations against Jerusalem to battle and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women ravished Zech 14:1(God really looks after those jews)

Indeed, he looks after His own:

I speak the truth in Christ -- I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost--that I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh, who are Israelites and to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; of whom are the fathers, and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

It is not as though the Word of God hath taken no effect. For they are not all Israel, who are of Israel; neither because they are the seed of Abraham are they all children; but, "In Isaac shall thy seed be called."

That is, they who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; rather, the children of the promise are counted as the seed.

I am not a part of national Israel because they are not God's chosen people. I am a part of spiritual Israel by the election and choice of the God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob. I am a spiritual Jew and a son of David.

I'm glad you agree with me and the Bible on this point that God really does take care of His own. But, just so you know that He will redeem 144,000 jews in the last days:

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them that were sealed: there were sealed a hundred and fortyfour thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

That your God is a soul hunter Im sure but the muslims are right Allah is God the Father I would also add the names Satan and Seth,no Ill not be a soul under his counter hes a LUNATIC.

The Muslims are wrong, eternally dead wrong. Allah is not the Father. Satan is not the Father. Seth is not the Father. Such blasphemey will be rewarded:

Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth; break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD!

Before your pots can feel the thorns, He shall take them away as with a whirlwind, both living, and in His wrath. The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance; he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked, so that a man shall say, "Verily there is a reward for the righteous; verily He is a God that judgeth on the earth."