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To: Aquinasfan
Seriously...

Do you really think people can do magic spells?

Do you think they can make magic potions?

Do you think they can summon demons and ride on brooms?

28 posted on 11/09/2001 10:55:46 AM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
Seriously... Do you really think people can do magic spells? Do you think they can make magic potions? Do you think they can summon demons and ride on brooms?

One of the ways the devil disarms people is by having himself made into a charactor with horns and a tail..a joke.Who could take that seriously..it is the same with the broom..but can people do spells? Sure and there are shops that sell the stuff...a visit to Cuba or any of the Islands or Africa and you will see it in full swing..and guess what it works often enough to give it credibility.

But most important is that God believes it

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

And OWK..God does not lie!

32 posted on 11/09/2001 11:07:06 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: OWK
Do you really think people can do magic spells?

Do you think they can make magic potions?

Do you think they can summon demons and ride on brooms?

I believe everything Fr. James LeBar, the excorcist for the archdiocese of New York, says they can do.

Since I know you won't listen to the shows, I'll give you some highlights. He states that The Exorcist is accurate in its portrayal of possession, except that it shows all cases "rolled into one."

He also repeated a story told to him by a bishop who witnessed a person moving around his hospital room ceiling like a fly.

Regarding your tongue-in-cheek questions:

Do you really think people can do magic spells?

Yes. I think Fr. LeBar addresses that topic. (It's also Biblical)

Do you think they can make magic potions?

Yes. I think Fr. LeBar addresses that topic.

Since you're a materialist reductionist, you may ask, "how can this be possible?" It is possible not because of the ingredients in the potion, but because of the super or extra-natural power of the devil who cooperates with the person casting the spell for his own purposes, giving the appearance of the potion's efficaciousness.

Some Satanic curses, for example, require the sacrifice of infants. It should be obvious why the devil would cooperate with the person casting the spell in this case.

Do you think they can summon demons and ride on brooms?

Summon demons? Certainly. Listen to Fr. LeBar. It's also Biblical. See the account of the witch of Endor.

Flying on brooms? Never heard of it. But occultists can do "astral projection," as Fr. LeBar attests.

34 posted on 11/09/2001 11:17:38 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: OWK; Aquinasfan
I have yet to weigh in on a Harry Potter thread, but it seems like if I'm going to be hanging around FR much in the coming couple of months that there's no way I'll be able to avoid it. ;-)

I really don't see what the big deal is. I don't understand the huge Harry Potter attraction is, and I don't think it's going to warp kids.

I do think that Aquinasfan has made some excellent posts in response to clearly outlining his arguement. The excerpt from O'Brien being one, and his "Larry Potter" arguement being the other. Both do make two excellent points

One about the differences between LOTR and Harry Potter and and the second, if we can't have Christian reading materials in our public schools, why do we allow Harry Potter which is agnostic at best?

I have yet to see a decent rebuttal. Rather the Harry Potter fans would rather skewer A'fan's beliefs that rebut the arguements made.

That doesn't mean that I agree with the fevor of the anti-Potter crew either. I am a Christian, I've been a Christian since I was 10 years old. I grew up reading fantasy. Everything from Lewis and Tolkien to Hubert and Assimov, Borroughs, Zelazny, Bradbury, and Stephen King. I am not a warp individual. I've read some pretty wild stuff, some sick and violent stuff, and it has not changed me. I would go as far as to say it's made me better. I think that's what a love of reading does for you.

We Christians often over hype something and cause it be pursued out of curiosity. Many people will read Potter, or go to the movie, just to see what the big deal is and then they'll walk away going, "I don't get it. What's all the fuss about?"

Let the people who enjoy Harry Potter have their threads where they just gush and gush about how great it is. Let the anti-Potter's have their threads where it's evil incarnate. Same thing for LOTR.

My 2 cents...

37 posted on 11/09/2001 11:21:00 AM PST by Texas2step
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