I generally avoid these kinds of threads because they usually consist of a handful of zealots and true believers that have a narrow point of view and will 'Yes, but' endlessly, long after anyone cares much anymore. It's useless. We both know that you would not move one iota from your point of view no matter what I posted to you because you believe you're 100% in the right. I think you are being irrational but so what? You, and others, seem to treat this issue as a religion and are searching for the Holy Grail in attempting to bring all these Democrats to justice. Fine. You're all politically righteous and us heathens who see little chance of justice happening no matter how hard we yell and stomp our feet wish you well but take a more pragmatic point of view. I've made that as clear as I know how but you and a few others don't accept it and seem to consider it political blasphemy. Too bad. People will differ. That's the reason we have FR.
The only point I really contend is that President Bush is some kind of evil bad man for not doing what you think he should do in pursuing the entire Democratic party on criminal charges. I resent the negative implications and I assume they come from folks who who never came within a hundred miles of supporting Bush and never will, so I have to consider you as committed Bush-bashers and this criminal investigation crusade a great way for you to ream Bush Republicans and yet pose as White Knights seeking justice.
I don't buy it but no matter, Bush will do fine without you.
I say again that I wish Mr. Klayman well and you too for that matter but I have other interests and do not choose to sit here typing out long paragraphs of responses that are instantly dismissed. Some lurkers will agree with you and some with me. So be it. You can respond with a nice long post and call me anything that you believe validates your sense of righteousness and moral superority. I've stated my opinion. The rest is just a pointless rehash of the same argument. Enjoy your crusade.
No. We both do NOT know that ... can not know that ... because you won't argue the challenging points. You are the one whose debating tactic consists of stating an opinion (and admittedly providing SOME rationale to support it, unlike many others), then REPEATING that OPINION again, when your rationale is challenged by actual facts. You ignore anything that doesn't fit YOUR opinion whereas I have addressed every claim you have made, point by point, not only with my OPINION but with facts to support my position.
Whether you wish to believe it or not, I can be convinced by people who will argue the facts. I could, for example, be convinced that Ron Brown's death was an innocent accident IF ANY of you would provide ANY facts to support such a contention. But no ... instead, those who wish to "move on" NEVER argue the facts in that case. They run from it. Unlike many "move on'ers", Howlin has actually stated that she does not believe Brown was murdered AND that people like me, who think he was, give the GOP a bad name. But she won't tell us the basis of her belief. See what I mean?
I think you are being irrational but so what? You, and others, seem to treat this issue as a religion and are searching for the Holy Grail in attempting to bring all these Democrats to justice. Fine. You're all politically righteous and us heathens who see little chance of justice happening no matter how hard we yell and stomp our feet wish you well but take a more pragmatic point of view.
More loaded phrases. You are the one who brought "religion" into this discussion ... as an EXCUSE for ignoring a possible MASS MURDER committed to hide possible TREASON. Your "pragmatism" is to ignore past democRAT crimes. I've asked and you've not answered whether that same pragmatism means we ignore future democRAT crimes too.
People will differ. That's the reason we have FR.
The reason for FR is not to just state opinions, however. The democRATS have plenty of those. In my view, FR exists to counter the lies and disinformation promoted by the mainstream media ... to provide a place where people like us can get all the facts, not just those the liberal media want us to know or believe. I don't mind differences of opinion ... I just want them backed up with FACTS.
The only point I really contend is that President Bush is some kind of evil bad man for not doing what you think he should do in pursuing the entire Democratic party on criminal charges. I resent the negative implications and I assume they come from folks who who never came within a hundred miles of supporting Bush and never will, so I have to consider you as committed Bush-bashers and this criminal investigation crusade a great way for you to ream Bush Republicans and yet pose as White Knights seeking justice.
Then you have assumed wrong. Again based on an unwillingness to deal with the FACTS. I voted for Bush and if you'd take the time to go back and look at my posts prior to the election you would find that I was a vocal defender of him against any 3rd party candidate efforts. But that does not mean I will continue to support him if he demonstrates the same willingness to ignore serious crimes (like MURDER and TREASON) that Bill Clinton and the DNC did.