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To: Jim Scott
I don't believe that Clinton will ever be truly brought to justice in his lifetime. I believe that because I don't see any interest on the part of the American people, as a whole, to see that happen. Yes, the media covered up for all the crimes we know were committed but what makes anyone believe they won't keep right on doing that, especially if real charges were ever brought against either or both Bill and Hillary? The legal and PR attempts to protect Clinton would rival the impeachment circus and with the same result. No convictions.

So what are we to do from now on? Cower before our fear of the liberal media and liberal juries? Investigate and prosecute ONLY those crimes that the leftest media wants to cover and liberal juries will be sure to convict? THAT is a prescription for the demise of this country.

Dreams of the Clintons in prison are just that, dreams. It won't happen.

Why do you suggest this is only about getting Clinton? This is about an entire party gone bad. It is about HUNDREDS of democRATS who willfully violated SERIOUS laws the last 8 years. Are we to just ignore that? What if they commit a crime now. Should we just ignore that too? Where will you EVER draw the line if your not willing to uphold the law in cases of MURDER and TREASON and ELECTION TAMPERING and BRIBERY and God knows what else the last 8 years. If you are not willing to prosecute democRATS in the Riady Non-Refund, a clear felony (involving an attempt to subvert our very election process using illegal money from COMMUNISTS who openly state they are out to destroy our country), why should we believe you will EVER be willing to prosecute democRATS for ANY crime they commit?

Why should we believe that if Republicans are willing to ignore credible evidence of VERY serious crimes by democRATS, they won't ignore similar crimes (or even lesser crimes) by Republicans while THEY are in office? Heck, why should we believe that Republicans wouldn't COMMIT such crimes to stay in power. Afterall, the EXCUSE you are using is that by investigating and prosecuting these crimes it would be bad for the Republican power base (due to liberal media bias in the reporting of those investigations and their outcomes). If one, why not the other.

In my opinion, President Bush knew that a year ago and had no interest in chasing Clinton, being accused by the Democrats of seeking some sort of revenge and losing all media and much public support in the process. There is no public demand to make Clinton the criminal he really is.

I challenge you, like I did the other poster to deny that the reason there is no interest is that the public DOES NOT KNOW how big a criminal Clinton is. That is not only because the media didn't mention the crimes, it is because the Clinton justice system never investigated the crimes. I contend that if the Bush administration investigates, no matter how hard the media tries to cover up what is going on, the word will get out. And the end result will be not only the realization by the populace at large that the Clinton admininstration and democRATS are BIG TIME CROOKS (and worse) but that media was DELIBERATELY hiding their crimes from the populace ... and that will only help our cause. Ignoring democRAT crimes only makes the public even more sure that there isn't a dimes bit of difference between the two parties ... that they are BOTH corrupt.

It didn't happen, even with a rabidly anti-Nixon media, a Democrat-run Congress and a 20-something popularity rating during Nixon's last weeks in office. It didn't happen becuase the public really didn't want it to happen. They were disgusted with Nixon by that point but there is something about seeing an ex-President in jail that may thrill his enemies but doesn't resonate with the general public.

The crimes of Nixon PALE in comparison to what Clinton and the DNC has done. NOONE accused Nixon of TREASON. NOONE accused Nixon of MURDER and MASS MURDER. Even the individual who drew up the articles of impeachment against Nixon has stated that Clinton's abuse of the IRS and FBI are MUCH WORSE than anything Nixon did. EXCUSES EXCUSES. Either we a nation of laws or we are not. And believe me the people know that and will act accordingly. And by the way, in the Nixon case they did put one person in jail for several years over the possession of a single illegally obtained FBI file. Why shouldn't we follow example and at least try to put the people involved in Filegate (which involved 1000's of files and for reasons that were significantly worse in motive than that man) in jail?

A good chunk of the public still admire Bill Clinton and they don't want him in prison or even pursued.

No. A good chunk of the public are IN THE DARK as far as the facts are concerned. All you suggest is that we institutionalize that ignorance by doing just what the liberal media wants you to do. Disgusting.

I believe Clinton will be disgraced by the slow but steady revelation of some of the things he has done.

Again. Why the obsession with Clinton? This is NOT just about Clinton. It is about something much more important, the very sanctity of our electoral and judicial processes. Ignore the crimes of the democRATS and you only establish the precedent for ALL parties to do the same from now on ... and God help us if that happens.

I believe that Bush is not going to pursue Clinton in court as there is no benefit in it. Politically, it's suicide.

That is only your opinion. We are still waiting for ANY OF YOU to address the question ... if Bush is willing to protect murdering and treasonous democRATS because there is no benefit in it, why should we believe he won't protect his own administration and Republicans when they cross the line. Why should we believe that he won't cross the line? TRUST? Trust in what? By ignoring serious crimes, they would only violate our trust.

I prefer Bush succeed as President, not be destroyed by chasing down Clinton in cases that come to nothing and waste his political capital - and everyones time.

How do you know they will come to nothing. Are you afraid to exhume and autopsy one body, that of Ron Brown's? Yes or no?

That's the problem. President Bush knows that, Ashcroft knows that, The Republican party leadership knows that and I know it too. People don't care.

No. People don't KNOW. And they never will when the GOP is helping HIDE the facts from the people. Tell me why with the exception of Dan Burton NOONE in the GOP has even mentioned the Riady Non-Refund? Is it because they don't think the democRATS using MILLIONS of ILLEGAL dollars from COMMUNISTS to try and steal an election is a problem? Or it because they are doing the same?

217 posted on 11/09/2001 12:18:38 PM PST by BeAChooser
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To: BeAChooser
First, get a grip on your emotions. This screaming, foaming-at-mouth Clinton/Democrat obsession is bad for your health, friend. You really need to calm down.

I'm not 'disgusting', I'm rational but you're delusional if you think that Clinton will ever be imprisoned.
Your wild-eyed ranting and typing every other word IN CAPS doesn't give it any more weight, By the way.
I would be interested to know what you have done to further this investigation into the Clinton/Democrat corruption and criminal offenses you scream about (and that I acknowledged). Is it all just internet screeds and hysterical attacks on anyone who doesn't see it your way or have you actually done something, anything, concrete?

I'm overlooking your idiotic attacks on my character because (a) They are totally absurd and unfounded and, (b) considering the source, expected and pointless. That said, your bombast and shrill screeching at anyone who doesn't fall into line with you - totally and without reservation - gets the same nonsense attacks, I've noticed. You really weaken your position with the screaming, the personal attacks and the insistance that 'if only the Bush DOJ would pursue Clinton it would all come out, all the crimes exposed, the media would be forced to cover it', etc . Pipe dreams. It would be Bush and Ashcroft who would be reamed daily by the media and we saw what happened during the impeachment. Clinton came out of it fine. Republicans had to play catch-up to regain public trust, which they did.

What's with all this 'you' stuff? I'm a Republican but I have no affiliation with ther party leadership. I suspect that you're a DNC troll playing conservative and using the Clinton crime record to attack Bush and the Republican party. Wouldn't be the first time, and it's a great and often-used cover on FR. Play the angry, frustrated ultra-ultra-conservative who blasts Bush and every other Republican for not being 'conservative enough' on some level and get the other Bush-haters to join in. Very divisive and familiar, too. I'm not buying any thanks, I gave at the office.

I offered a reasonable and coherent opinion of why the Bush administration hasn't pursued the Clintons and the Democrats over the crimes of the last eight years. I agreed that they were certainly guilty, as are many Dems. I also observed that in the world of politics, one chooses targets carefully and although I would like to see the crimes and criminals you listed punished, I don't expect to see that happen, ever. Is that bad for our system of justice, yes. Has it been going on for a very, very long time, long before 1993? Yes. Where have you been? Grow up and face reality. This is how the world works. It stinks. That's why, as a Christian, I do not put my faith in human justice, as I said. I don't obsess over who got away with what. Not because I don't think government-connected crime shouldn't be punished, but because I'm enough of a realist to understand that, as I said, politicians, Attorney General's, Judges, lawyers and even juries are not always interested in doing the right thing.

Look at O.J. Simpson. A joke trial with a third-rate prosecutor team, a boob for a Judge and a obviously biased jury. Despite that verdict, the system didn't collapse. The Union will survive Clinton and all the illegal garbage that accompanied his eight years in office. Should someone, somewhere go to jail for one of the many, many crimes that occured from the Clinton White House, great. I'll applaud it. Meanwhile, I won't lose sleep waiting for that to happen, or decide that the entire U.S. government, all three branches, are now about to collapse. They won't.

My friend Rebeckie pinged me on this thread. It took awhile but I read it and offered my opinion. Tough if you don't like it. I don't like yours or your name-calling, hysterical and nasty attitude toward anyone who doesn't pat you on the back and agree with you 100%. Get over your shrill self-righteousness and calm down a bit. Politics are interesting and important but not the totality of life. Speaking of life, you might consider getting one. I suspect that anyone as fervent and angry as you are over things you have little to no ability to control needs a hobby and/or some R&R, as well as remedial civility lessons. Either that or go back to the DNC.

219 posted on 11/09/2001 2:00:53 PM PST by Jim Scott
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