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To: Askel5
GO JUDICIAL WATCH GO! I WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT ANYONE THAT STILL HOLDS CLINTON AND HIS POLITICAL CRONIES ACCOUTABLE FOR THEIR MISDEEDS. THE RULE OF LAW MUST PREVAIL IN THE END.
214 posted on 11/09/2001 9:48:58 AM PST by Rebeckie
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To: Rebeckie
I'm coming to this thread late and I've read most but not all of the replies. I don't have any strong opinions about the case in question here and frankly, the wrangling over the minutia of legal issues on the thread is somewhat interesting but makes my eyes glaze over after awhile, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

My general opinion on Klayman, Judicial Watch and the attempts bring Clinton(s) to justice are this;

I don't believe that Clinton will ever be truly brought to justice in his lifetime. I believe that because I don't see any interest on the part of the American people, as a whole, to see that happen. Yes, the media covered up for all the crimes we know were committed but what makes anyone believe they won't keep right on doing that, especially if real charges were ever brought against either or both Bill and Hillary? The legal and PR attempts to protect Clinton would rival the impeachment circus and with the same result. No convictions. Dreams of the Clintons in prison are just that, dreams. It won't happen.

In my opinion, President Bush knew that a year ago and had no interest in chasing Clinton, being accused by the Democrats of seeking some sort of revenge and losing all media and much public support in the process. There is no public demand to make Clinton the criminal he really is. Bush must know that 25 years ago, Richard Nixon was hated by the liberal media and they wanted him - not just humiliated - but in prison.
It didn't happen, even with a rabidly anti-Nixon media, a Democrat-run Congress and a 20-something popularity rating during Nixon's last weeks in office. It didn't happen becuase the public really didn't want it to happen. They were disgusted with Nixon by that point but there is something about seeing an ex-President in jail that may thrill his enemies but doesn't resonate with the general public. They probably feel that such a thing would demean the country more than the ex-President. Thay are probably correct.

The liberals also hated, really hated, Ronald Reagan. They thought they 'had' Reagan with Iran-Contra. They 'got' Ollie North, Poindexter, Casey (sort of - he died), Weinberger, etc. They tried to get Reagan but his popularity was way too high for the libs to have much effect on President Reagan, although, until Clinton came along, the Dems used Iran-Contra as a whip to beat Republicans with for years.

Look, a year out of office, the Special Prosecutor was attempting to (privately) interview former President Reagan about Iran-Contra. Well, he tried, but Reagan, his Alzhimers already beginning, remembered nothing and it went nowhere. Just as well, but the point is that ex-Presidents don't go to prison. A good chunk of the public still admire Bill Clinton and they don't want him in prison or even pursued. I believe Clinton will be disgraced by the slow but steady revelation of some of the things he has done. I expect that in a decade or so, Clinton will have all the relevence of Gerald Ford and the negative baggage of a Nixon but he won't be prison.

I see a lot of sincere anger here from folks knowing how much blood is on the Clinton's hands and how badly they damaged our beloved country. I share the anger and frustration of those who want - with all our being - to see them exposed, tried, conviced and punished. That said, again, I don't believe it will happen. There are a thousand ways to stop it and Clinton knows them all. He has hundreds of rich and politically powerful friends in high places and the full support of the media. He may be embarrassed and even reviled eventually, but Clinton will not go to jail.

Now, some want to use the non-pursuit of Clinton by the Bush DOJ as a reason to slam Bush, John Ashcroft, the Republican Party and anyone else in sight, it would seem. That's their right but aside from the fakes masquarading as conservatives on FR and using Clinton as a means to rip Bush a new one every day I think the anger and frustration is wasted. I believe that Bush is not going to pursue Clinton in court as there is no benefit in it. Politically, it's suicide. Some folks here don't see that or don't care but I prefer Bush succeed as President, not be destroyed by chasing down Clinton in cases that come to nothing and waste his political capital - and everyones time. That kind of realistic attitude is a red flag to some who demand justice - now and we see their anger-filled postings here. Well, I don't live my life to see Clinton in jail. I know that justice is precious but I also know that we're dealing with man's justice, and man's justice is spotty and often flawed. We see that every day. As a Christian, I know the Clinton's will answer to God for their deeds and there will be, at last, perfect justice for Bill and Hillary. I comfort myself with that thought.

As for Judicial Watch; I used to admire Larry Klayman but I've grown skeptical of him and his operation. It seems like an endless fund-raising deal where he does try to obtain justice but it's so slow and so often unfruitful (and expensive) that nothing ever happens that has any real consequences. This could continue for many years. I don't say that he should stop but since I've never given Klayman or Judical Watch any of my money, I have no reason to complain if he isn't successful. At least he seems to have good intentions and if he turns up some kind of real evidence that can actually touch the Clinton's, good for him. We'll all rejoice, I'm certain. Meanwhile, I see no reason to attack the man or his group.
If you don't like him or trust him, don't contribute to him.

You know, I read through these Judical Watch threads and I see the frustration of so many with the fact that Clinton seems untouchable after he has done so much harm. I think of the old movie 'The Invasion of the Body Snatchers' (the original 1956 version) and I think of the last scene where Kevin McCarthy is running down the highway, banging on peoples cars, screaming that "You're all in danger, they are here, they are going to take us all over, you must stop them" while people roll up their windows, give him funny looks and speed away. It's moving and makes me feel like Kevin McCarthy; telling people what Clinton did (treason, murder, etc) and yet, no one listens or seems to care much. That's the problem. President Bush knows that, Ashcroft knows that, The Republican party leadership knows that and I know it too. People don't care.
They like Clinton. They don't think he belongs in jail. They don't want to hear him called a murderer. That offends them. After all, he was our President. That's what we're up against and waving our fist, yelling 'Justice' and blaming Bush for not throwing away his Presidency to pursue Clinton is unrealistic, although I realize that doesn't compute with some people. Klayman may have some luck but it's an uphill battle.
I wish him well.

215 posted on 11/09/2001 11:17:05 AM PST by Jim Scott
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