A Former U.S. Envoy Links Greek Politicians to Assassin Group

THE NEW YORK TIMES ^ | November 8, 2001 | Staff

[Pericles]

22 victims in 30 years, tsk..tsk..Now if the Greeks had some Irish in them, look out (we of course know that no Catholic or Protestant politicians in N. Ireland knows any of their terrorists, wink, wink).

[a_Turk]

is that the Greek criminals are better drivers.

Man Pericles, I just love your sense of humor. Really!

[a_Turk]

Message to the US government: 1. Orthodox Christians are your friends. (repeat that 15 times) 2. Get serious and get some real terrorists!

That's very good advice, if the cabinet were made up of preschoolers :)

[Malcolm]

I have not had any respect for the Greeks since they elected that jackass Panpandreou in the early 80's. The Greek people are idiots, and that without a cure.....

[a_Turk]

One man's terrorist will one day be your terrorist;)

[a_Turk]

I'm going to back -up Pericles .. Although no official study has been completed as yet...

That's 'coz you're smart.

[a_Turk]

Targeted? Are you still in one piece? I have had similar experiences, albeit courtesy of other groups. Don't really miss it.

I say wipe out all terrorists. They make life expensive, and stifle the economy.

[rebdov]

Not all gentiles, Perilces, not at all. But there are a choice few.

[a_Turk]

it will be interesting to see which Greek politicians the CIA wants to purge.

I sort of like the PM and the FM.

I ask you in all ernest: When the majority of the people are able to be friends as they have shown, and when the PMs and FMs can be friends as they have shown, what remains to spoil the fun? November 17 and gang. They Must have connections outside of Greece.

[a_Turk]

and they started to discuss, Swiss bank accounts, portfolios on Wall St., and actual payments from you know who?

I don't know who, but they would not discuss that stuff would they? It seems all to revolve around the ego. The arms money thing seems illogical. The whole thing is illogical. The EU allowing itself be the tool of Enosis seems illogical... We'll just annex the place, you watch.

[a_Turk]

jealousy, as in, why is he getting more than me.

that would be sooo childish. That could at best a manipulating whine.

Consider this: The Ottoman Turks conquer Istanbul (Mehmet II), and "protect" the partiarch, the Armenians, Greeks, and Slavs. They next conquer the caliphate (Selim I) and protect all the Muslims. Brilliant. Russia comes around, and with it's strengthened church promises better protection to the Armenians, Greeks, and Slavs. By now the Ottomans are in decline, and their armies run their own taxation system (plunder your own). Henceforth, the Orthodox are conquered by the Russian. To this day. The only orthodox population not completely in the Russian fold (non iron curtain and non-communist) is Greece (correct me if I'm wrong), which does feel some considerable communist pressures nonetheless.

The Russian influence subsides, but the Russian sponsored cold war terror organizations endure. Who pays them today?

[nomoreheroes]

I was targeted by November 17 when I was in Greece.

And why dont you tell us what you were doing there?

[history_matters]

Your theory is very attractive in its simplicity, but it is off the mark in its assessment of the Orthodox Church and the role of the Moscow Patriarchate.

Each national Orthodox Church normally enjoys a form of independent status and looks to the Ecumenical Patriarch in Constantinople as First Among Equals when there is a dispute. The Moscow Patriarchate's "reach" is largely limited to the nations of the former Soviet Union, and even that is currently in dispute.

My guess would be the payola trail does not lead to Russia but leads to China. China would have the most to gain from watching all of us kill each other.

[a_Turk]

And why dont you tell us what you were doing there?

Whatch out! I think she's up to something ;-)

[a_Turk]

there was a lot of anti Ciller PR in the NYT

Since Ciller used the religionists to form a coalition government a few years back, almost causing a coup, she has lost any political appeal she might have had. She barely made it into parliament during the last elections.

I don't really believe Russia has that kind of international influence today. They might, but my belief is they don't.

Agreed. Their clout did exist back in the day when it helped pry Greece and the rest of the Orthodox nations loose from the Ottoman empire. Their influence persisted throughout the Cold War, but has disappeared since the fall of the USSR. The terror organizations they sponsored within NATO countries, however, still exist. I am curious who pays November 17 today?