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Decorated Vietnam Vet Arrested Guarding War Memorial and American Flag in San Diego(#4)
www.sandiegouniontribune.com. ^ | November 7, 2001 | By Dana Littlefield

Posted on 11/07/2001 3:59:48 PM PST by B4Ranch

Solana Beach 'bullying' homeless man, friends say

By Dana Littlefield
STAFF WRITER

November 7, 2001

SOLANA BEACH -- Neighbors and local business owners are rallying behind a homeless man they believe is being treated unfairly by city and county officials.

Robert Thomas Northcut, 49, who has lived on the streets of Solana Beach for more than a decade, was arrested last week on suspicion of trespassing on a city-owned traffic median where a war memorial sits.

Sam Georges, a lawyer from Solana Beach, and Chris Tatem, owner of the Do-It-Yourself Dog Wash in Solana Beach, helped get Northcut out of jail.

Now they and several other residents are working to handle his legal problems, including reuniting him with his dog, which was taken to a county animal shelter when he was arrested.

"The only thing I own is that damn dog," Northcut said Monday while lying in the grass overlooking Fletcher Cove. "He's my dog and he's faithful to me."

Even before Northcut's arrest, neighbors banded together to help him out and bring him food. They even cared for his dog, getting it neutered, vaccinated and registered with the county.

"It's not one person; it's the whole community," said Tatem.

They said that Northcut doesn't panhandle or bother their customers and that he just wants to be left alone with his dog to live outdoors. Putting him inside a building, Georges said, would be like "taking a coyote and chaining it in the garage."

Northcut's German shepherd -- named Thomas Jefferson, or T.J. for short -- remains in custody at the county animal shelter in Carlsbad for lunging and barking at city and transit employees. The dog bit a man in May, according to animal control officials, and city staff members say it threatened several maintenance workers and one department head.

Northcut admitted that his dog has bitten people, but said T.J. was just protecting his master. The dog had been abused before being rescued in Tijuana and nursed back to health by Northcut and Tatem.

"He's a very feisty animal. He's addle-brained," Northcut said. "He's a lot like me. He's all nervous like me."

Members of the county Dangerous Dog Task Force are expected to decide today whether to issue a notice declaring T.J. a public nuisance. If that happens, a hearing will follow, and the dog could be required to wear a muzzle or be fenced off from the public entirely.

Northcut said he and T.J. set up camp at the war memorial after he heard reports on a portable radio of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. For the next few days, Northcut, who said he is a Navy veteran, raised and lowered the U.S. flag on a pole near the memorial to half-staff to honor victims.

"He was taking care of the war memorial," Georges said. "It was his effort to 9/11."

He said that the city is "bullying" Northcut for crushing plants that surround the World War II memorial where Northcut and T.J. had been sleeping, and that the county should return his dog.

"He's just lost without his dog," Georges said. "If the city doesn't want him around, there are definitely more humane ways to get him away from there."

City officials said the traffic median, on Plaza Street and surrounded by cars heading to and from Fletcher Cove, is not a safe spot to hang around. A "No Trespassing" sign is posted near the flagpole, which shares the crowded median with a large fountain and the memorial.

"There really isn't a place for people to congregate," said City Manager Bob Semple. "It wasn't meant to be used for people to gather there."

Northcut has been cited several times for trespassing at other spots in the city.

Jennifer Lynch, the Vista attorney whom Georges asked to appear in court last week on Northcut's behalf, disagreed with Semple.

"To say that there's no trespassing at a war memorial is unconscionable," Lynch said.

A court hearing on Northcut's trespassing charge is scheduled for Nov. 15.

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Copyright 2001 Union-Tribune Publishing Co.


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To: NAMMARINE
well i invite them into my house.

Thank you. You are right. Next time I have the opportunity I will do the same.

161 posted on 11/07/2001 8:29:41 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: NAMMARINE
I jumped you?
if you call pointing out your anger and ignorance jumping on you then I guess I did.
I don't have to resort to "rotflmao" or dropping profane verbage to make my point,
I learned from the best.
A Sargeant Major that chewed my backside without raising his voice above a whisper, and uttering without a single expletive.
162 posted on 11/07/2001 8:33:31 PM PST by usmcobra
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To: NAMMARINE
the irish are all from the third (wars) where im from

I don't care where your candy ass is from.

Learn punctuation and grammar. What liberal board did you originate from?

164 posted on 11/07/2001 8:34:48 PM PST by Aura Of The Blade
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To: usmcobra
Just for the record, it was in thread 3 post #153 where you said NAMMARINE harbored hate.
He defended his honor in the now-deleted post #155,
and you followed up with this thread 3 post #162 where you accused him of being a troll.

That's why I was surprised to read your thread 4 post #149 where you said
"I was doing the look see before I suggested that you might be a heartless son of a gun! why are you so freaked over that?"

You need to ask him why?

167 posted on 11/07/2001 8:42:53 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: NAMMARINE
Let's see...you can't be Oliver Stone since he was in the Army. But you definitely fit the liberal image.
169 posted on 11/07/2001 8:50:03 PM PST by DebtsPaid
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To: NAMMARINE
COME KICK IT TOUGH GUY

Am I supposed to be impressed with the large case?

Unfortunately for you, your goron lost the election. Try salon.com

170 posted on 11/07/2001 8:50:22 PM PST by Aura Of The Blade
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To: NAMMARINE
Enough already! Look, let's just put it this way...we are posting on this thread to think of a way to help Northcut. That is the objective and is, hopefully, constructive. Now, there is nothing constructive about belittling our efforts. There is nothing constructive about going off subject and flinging insults around (not just you, but any of us who have been doing that). So, please, let's drop it and carry on!
171 posted on 11/07/2001 8:50:37 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: Cultural Jihad
Oh Heck! I had almost forgotten about you, but you are baaaacck!
172 posted on 11/07/2001 8:53:28 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: B4Ranch; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Native American Female Vet; Uncle Bill; Mr_Magoo...
"There really isn't a place for people to congregate," said City Manager Bob Semple. "It wasn't meant to be used for people to gather there."

This is the kicker. Now I'm REALLY mad as he!!!!!!!!

Since when, Mr. "Simple-minded" Semple, isn't a flag pole on PUBLIC PROPERTY with a US FLAG ON IT NOT a place for the public to gather??????!!!!!!!

My long-distance phone bill is gonna go up tomorrow - big time!!!!!!

173 posted on 11/07/2001 8:57:01 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: mystomachisturning
Yes, Ma'am!
174 posted on 11/07/2001 8:57:37 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: NAMMARINE
Flame war huh? well not here and certainly not on this thread.
However I could suggest The board for that.
One where you could unload on me to your hearts content with out the fear of having your comments ripped from the thread.

I saw the hate that many have seen in your posts towards Mr Northcut and his dog,
and I saw that you didn't read what was written about what happened to him,
as you continue to gloss over that which doesn't serve your needs
you know the little things like inconsistencies in what was in the cities' e-mail and the phone conversations posted here
and why it took so long to figure out that the dog was dangerous and had bitten someone!
Little things that you don't want to deal with, or acknowledge.

175 posted on 11/07/2001 8:59:20 PM PST by usmcobra
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To: NAMMARINE
How about taking it to your freep mail,this thread is not about you.It's about a brother.If you don't want him WE do.If you don't care about him , WE do and his dog T.J.
176 posted on 11/07/2001 9:08:49 PM PST by FallGuy
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To: Cultural Jihad
"NAMMARINE used the basic troll tactic of attacking the subject of the article without any possible defence for his attack
That is to invite an angry responces from those on the thread directed at him.
The mark of an amatuer troll,"

Well I guess I did:)
His "defence" of his honor was profane, and hardly more than three words other then quoting me.
Do you deny that?
For the record, I had nothing to do with the post being pulled.
I have heard worst and far more elaborate profanity with the brim of a Parris Island Drill Instructor's Campaign hat pressed against my forehead and spittle flying in my face for being out of step.

So based on today's revelations, what is your solution to Mr. Northcut's problem?
And do believe that his dog should be put to death as NAMMARINE does?

177 posted on 11/07/2001 9:26:19 PM PST by usmcobra
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To: Cultural Jihad
You know, I have been thinking and I realize that in another situation I would more than likely be agreeing with you. I resent the heck out of the liberal politics that has allowed some of our towns to be overrun by panhandlers and mentally ill that should be in a facility that can provide for their care, but are not because "they have rights too!" I understand where you are coming from and I know that this is one of those situations where us right wingers look like we are being inconsistent and tolerant when it is convenient. And I guess that is right.

The bottom line here is that this person, Mr. Northcut, is a Veteran. He has earned the right to be different in many of our eyes. But it isn't really that. I think all of us realize that mentally ill folks also need to be protected and taken care of. Unfortunately those liberals who believe that putting people in facilities is not fair have created an intolerable situation in our streets. Many of the vets in the street probably also need some kind of mental health attention and we can not force them to get it either. Why is Northcut any different? Maybe just because these guys consider him like they do a brother. He is the one they are willing to go to battle for because he is a brother.

We really do need to look a little deeper here. But maybe we need to do it one person at a time. Maybe it seems like hypocrisy to say that we want Northcut and TJ to go ahead and live outside, but I don't think it is. It is simply easier to relate to his plight and understand his choice has nothing to do with being a derelict.

I had an uncle (great uncle) who was a real character. He loved panning for gold and riding the rails. He was, for all intents and purposes, a hobo. He hurt no one but loved the outdoors and the freedoms it provided. He loved not having the complications of a roof over his head. Back then, of course, there were camps across the countryside where all the hobos would congregate and live their lives. There was even a hobo village along the railroad tracks here in Santa Barbara! But someone came along and decided that they needed to be run out of town. The village that had been there for years was destroyed. I think part of the reason is that people began to confuse that outdoor hobo lifestyle of choice with the sudden influx of mentally ill people roaming the streets because they truly were unable to function. There is a difference. The hobo villages had structure and rules.

Just thinking.

178 posted on 11/07/2001 9:59:57 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: NAMMARINE
NAMMARINE....... you said....."Oh please, this kind of story doesn't get my sympathy, I don't care if he is a vet, he needs to act more responsibly and obey the law. If I had a dog that routinely bit people, while I defended it, I would be arrested and my dog taken from me and put to sleep."

If you didn't have any friends that is exactly what would happen. It just happens that RT Northcut has thousands of friends who have taken the time to email and phone these City officials to let them know he is not just a 'wacky Vet' with no friends.

179 posted on 11/07/2001 10:04:21 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: Snow Bunny
Hi bunny...nice post.
180 posted on 11/07/2001 10:10:03 PM PST by MistyCA
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