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First off, thanks to all for calm rational responses, rather than some of the name calling that can be seen around here....this is why I come here!! :)

Suijuris...I agree. I have heard numerous questionable situations that have occured with law enforcement regarding supposed/potential militant groups. I have no doubts that in some cases, there may have likely been some level of provocation by the law enforcement side. I don't believe, however, that all or most are provocations by law enforcement....and it's merely that, a belief, as I do not have enough info to tell for sure.

Mixer...I see your points. But I have to ask....if Cooper DID say something along the lines of "If they ever try to come and take my gun I will be waiting for them" on his show....hasn't he, essentially, set the ground rules for any confrontation? Put another way....if your neighbor said to the rest of the neighbors "if Mixer ever crosses my path, I'll be ready for him"...wouldn't you go into any confrontation loaded for bear? I think that attitude can go both ways.

Ada... you're right...the circumstances are suspect. And I'm not saying that Cooper's websites version of the story is wrong. But I have seen reports in other thread here that give semi-conflicting reports (who shot first, etc.). Unlike some here (and not saying this is you....), however, I'm not immediately ready to say that a high profile man, with at least one (two?...one local one federal?) arrest warrant who gets killed in a shootout with law enforcement was murdered/shut up, etc. If he was high profile, and critical of the government, but DIDN'T have any outstanding warrants, then I'd be more inclined to believe it on the surface. I just tend to be a bit of a sceptic...toward government on occasion, and toward conspiracy theorists sometimes.

You may be correct about getting the FBI to back off on one arrest. The reports I saw mentioned 3 arrest attempts, however, so I don't know the scoop on the other 2 attempts...part of the same?

Rowdee...I think you hit the nail on the head. In any undercover operation, especially if the suspect is maybe drunk, awoke from sleep, etc, you run the risk of violent response. And, I think the undercover sheriffs understood and accepted the risks of their job. From what I hear, they tried to arrest him other times, and Cooper was uncooperative, etc. If we separate Mr. Cooper the personality from a suspect who is refusing to turn themselves in/resist arrest, does that change the picture? What if Mr. Cooper was Joe Schmoe and had a warrant for selling dope....does that change how people would view this?

Ada... you're right...the circumstances are suspect. And I'm not saying that Cooper's websites version of the story is wrong. But I have seen reports in other thread here that give semi-conflicting reports (who shot first, etc.). Unlike some here (and not saying this is you....), however, I'm not immediately ready to say that a high profile man, with at least one (two?...one local one federal?) arrest warrant who gets killed in a shootout with law enforcement was murdered/shut up, etc. If he was high profile, and critical of the government, but DIDN'T have any outstanding warrants, then I'd be more inclined to believe it on the surface. I just tend to be a bit of a sceptic...toward government on occasion, and toward conspiracy theorists sometimes.

Can you think of a reason why they would set up a scenario designed to make him draw a weapon unless they planned to off him?