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To: Dallas
You're taking yourself too seriously. It wouldn't matter what evidence was produced, you've proved you'll argue with anybody in the bible who refutes your beliefs. (i.e. "Paul was wrong").

I'll let you in on a little secret: Paul's letters are not in my bible. Jews do not consider the gospels and epistles to be part of scripture. Do you have a verse for me yet, or can't you find the source of Paul's assertion? Doesn't it bother you at all that you cannot find the reference in Genesis that Paul is supposedly quoting?

You're splitting syntax hairs....

You said that "Abraham was justified solely by his faith", and I provided evidence that this is not accurate. Thus I am 'splitting syntax hairs'. A nice way to try to dismiss my point, but it doesn't address what I said.

Got a passage that supports that

The sacrifice acceptable to God is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. (Psalm 51:17)

Talk about me being "wrong", and "misinformed". I can't find any of those terms you placed in quotes in the OT. Got a verse ?

Uh, I gave you the verses. Did you read them?

The verses you quoted in no way support your premise. You're confusing temporal with eternal...

What makes you think there is any distinction between temporal and eternal in these passages? Sin is sin. It is forgiven or it is not. If it is forgiven, it is wiped away completely (as my citations illustrated). If it is "forgiven...wiped away...not remembered...swept away..." then it is not counted against us either temporally or eternally. What makes you think otherwise?

177 posted on 11/07/2001 4:21:50 AM PST by malakhi
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To: angelo
I'll let you in on a little secret:

Sorry to disappoint you, but I knew from the start. My bible teacher is Jewish.

The sacrifice acceptable to God is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. (Psalm 51:17)

You keep shooting yourself in the foot. Let's continue...
Psa 51:18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem.
Psa 51:19 Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering: then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar.

Without the shedding of blood, there is no atonement for sin.

So I ask you once again, produce ONE verse that shows how the OT sacrificial system has been changed, or been done away with ? Rabbi's have tried, but to no avail.

Lev 16:34 And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the LORD commanded Moses.

Exo 30:10 And Aaron shall make an atonement upon the horns of it once in a year with the blood of the sin offering of atonements: once in the year shall he make atonement upon it throughout your generations: it is most holy unto the LORD.

199 posted on 11/07/2001 9:09:20 AM PST by Dallas
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