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Radiation-Bombs Already In The US?
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Posted on 10/31/2001 2:55:38 PM PST by maquiladora

I was watching Fox News earlier in the day and in their scrolling news ticker was something about a report that radiation bombs have possibily been moved by Al-Qaeda through Bogota, Colombia then over the Mexico border and into the US.

Anyone know anything else about this story?


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1 posted on 10/31/2001 2:55:38 PM PST by maquiladora
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To: maquiladora
Why not just sail a dhou into Newport?
2 posted on 10/31/2001 2:57:52 PM PST by Liberals are Evil Socialists!
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To: maquiladora
Just searching for stories, heres a story that goes back a bit....

Bogota Police Foil 'Atom Bomb' Sale
Matthew Campbell
The Sunday Times (UK)
April 29 2001

DETECTIVES in Colombia say they have seized a £1m cache of enriched uranium from the bathroom of an animal feed salesman who claims he merely found some radioactive ore on his farm. The police believe they have foiled an international gang that planned to build and sell nuclear weapons.

While tests were being conducted on the uranium to try to help determine its origin, Bogota police and an FBI team expected to arrive in the city this week said they were alarmed at the prospect of a black market in atom bombs.

"What is certain," said Ismael Malaver, the detective in charge of the team that raided Alfonso Sandoval's suburban house, "is that he was planning to sell it."

Sandoval is thought to have been using a makeshift bathroom laboratory to measure the enrichment of the uranium before he marketed it abroad.

The case has raised disturbing questions about the extent of nuclear proliferation, which has been a nightmare for security agencies since the collapse of the Soviet Union a decade ago. Experts believe that Colombia, with its reputation as a lawless haven for guerrilla and criminal gangs, may be the secret bazaar where pariah nations such as Iraq try to acquire uranium smuggled out of Russia.

So far there has been no evidence of large-scale smuggling of Russia's uranium. "Small amounts get out," said David Albright, president of the Washington-based Institute for Science and International Security. "But it is difficult for organised crime to find anyone able to get out the larger amounts that are needed for making weapons."

Colombian officials have no doubt that the uranium they discovered in two canisters in Sandoval's bathroom was destined for use in weapons and suggest it could have been a sample for tempting potential buyers.

Even so Sandoval, 56, seemed an unlikely component of such a sinister plot. His daughter Claudia said from Bogota that he had suffered four heart attacks in December and he has been released on bail because of concerns about his health.

"We're not bandits," she said. "My father has always been a scientist with interests. Nothing clandestine. He's always done experiments. He has produced home-made shampoo, soap and detergent."

Colombian investigators scoffed at the notion of an amateur scientist experimenting with uranium for fun. In the bathroom they found a computer and a spectrometer for measuring the purity of radioactive elements as well as the two 11oz batches of uranium. One batch, they claimed, was enriched to 63%, the other to 74%.

After his release, the unassuming Sandoval appeared on television claiming he had stumbled across the uranium. But natural uranium has to be treated to reach the level of enrichment attributed to the batches found in the bathroom.

Even that level is not sufficient for making weapons, which require uranium enriched to at least 90%. It corresponds, however, to the standard of enrichment used in Russian nuclear submarines and icebreakers. Police say Sandoval visited Russia for unknown reasons in February last year.

He was not the first Colombian to be detained for possession of nuclear materials. In Frankfurt in 1994, a Colombian was arrested coming from Moscow with a consignment of plutonium in his suitcase. This turned out to be a sting by German intelligence.

A series of other arrests over the past few years in Italy, Switzerland, Bulgaria and Germany involved only small amounts of low-grade radioactive materials. "Most of it is uranium at 2-3% coming from the former Soviet Union," said David Kyd, spokesman for the International Atomic Energy Agency, based in Vienna. "But it is hard to know whether what is found is the tip of the iceberg or the bulk of the traffic."

The Bogota find was the first of its kind in Latin America, but experts are not surprised that Colombia - where smugglers of drugs, arms and emeralds operate with virtual impunity - should emerge as a player in the uranium trade. "That is the place to sell stuff on the black market," said Albright.

Colombian criminal links with Russian mafia groups were revealed in 1999 when officials discovered a half-finished Russian submarine in a warehouse hundreds of miles from the coast. The craft was being assembled by Russian engineers for cocaine-smuggling.

Kyd said that the Bogota haul might indicate that "the Colombia mafia is diversifying to the extent that it is introducing uranium into its sales brochure".

Fissile material would be useless without the sophisticated detonation technology needed for building a bomb. However, this expertise is readily available and technical information on the internet has increased the chance of a lone operator being able to build a basic nuclear bomb.

3 posted on 10/31/2001 3:03:09 PM PST by maquiladora
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To: maquiladora
hala w mrhaba w kif halk, it should be noted that a dhou is virtually any sized vessel and is by far the more common ship design in use by Arab traders, explorers and fishermen since the dark mists of time.
4 posted on 10/31/2001 3:03:57 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: maquiladora
All the news channels have been reporting this all day but to a "un-named source" in the intelligence community.....

BTW, don't sweat it....can't stop it if it happens and no-one knows where yet if it does.....Enjoy your night, spend time with your family/friends and watch out for the "little terror(ists)" tonight in your area.....

Got to go...I'm keeping up with little ghosts and goblins that have invaded my neighborhood....

NeverGore

5 posted on 10/31/2001 3:04:24 PM PST by nevergore
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To: maquiladora
this ("dirty bombs") is reportedly one of the fears that led to the alert being issued on Monday; that terrorists in Canada and US are now actively preparing to detonate bombs with radioactive materials that could dessimate major population areas and spread major doses of radiation to thousands of Americans.
6 posted on 10/31/2001 3:05:22 PM PST by Steven W.
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To: Steven W.
I don't know...maybe Al-Qaeda knows we're listening and their just issuing disinformation to keep us off balance.
7 posted on 10/31/2001 3:10:56 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: Steven W.
It depends on your definition of major. It takes energy to make energy. Unless the device is capable of creating a significant out of control chain reaction to flood the fissionable material with the right sort & pattern of neutrons (i.e., a fizzle), it would rely on the already existing radioactive energy of whatever stuff the weapon is packed with. And that just isn't much unless the device is either unshieled and promptly detectable, or so shielded as to be prohibitively massive save when detonated on a ship, in which case it would be a self-solving problem.
8 posted on 10/31/2001 3:24:28 PM PST by Thud
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To: maquiladora
He has produced home-made shampoo, soap and detergent

Of course, if he had all that enriched uranium in his bathroom, he was making shampoo of it. Probably just a new delouser. Nothing to see here. Buy err... something. Just not radioactive soap.

9 posted on 10/31/2001 3:38:24 PM PST by Cachelot
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To: maquiladora
Please !!! The purpose of the scrolled headlines is to keep you watching long enough to be subjected to a barrage of commercials.The headlines themselves ( especially on Fox ) seem to be highly speculative , and are seldom backed up by credible stories. Fox ( like every other Media outlet ) "profiles" its audience, in an effort to knit commercials and viewers together.If this requires speculative sensationalism at the expense of truth, so be it.
10 posted on 10/31/2001 3:40:09 PM PST by genefromjersey
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To: maquiladora
Please !!! The purpose of the scrolled headlines is to keep you watching long enough to be subjected to a barrage of commercials.The headlines themselves ( especially on Fox ) seem to be highly speculative , and are seldom backed up by credible stories. Fox ( like every other Media outlet ) "profiles" its audience, in an effort to knit commercials and viewers together.If this requires speculative sensationalism at the expense of truth, so be it.
11 posted on 10/31/2001 3:40:18 PM PST by genefromjersey
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To: maquiladora
IMHO, I say it is time to tell the muslins,you tell bin Lande to backoff, or Mecca disappears...
12 posted on 10/31/2001 3:52:30 PM PST by thinking
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To: maquiladora
They were stopped at the border, and asked if they had the manual. They replied, "No, but we have Jose". So they let them in the U.S.
13 posted on 10/31/2001 3:57:33 PM PST by TommyDale
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To: maquiladora
I have not been able to find any online news story about this, not even one! However, it may interest you to read this other messagethread: NUCLEAR THREAT IN AMERICA
14 posted on 10/31/2001 4:27:07 PM PST by meridia
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To: genefromjersey
Hi gene. In another messagethread, last night, MANY freepers had HEARD this information during an interview on Fox News.

I wish I'd paid much better attention, but the info seemed so critically important that I simply presumed there'd be a HUGE array of online news articles about it. However, not even now, twenty-four hours later can I find a URL to a news article with ANY of the info I (and many others) HEARD early yesterday evening.

15 posted on 10/31/2001 4:33:35 PM PST by meridia
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To: maquiladora
There was a thread on this a couple days ago. Also in the last couple weeks there were similar threads of the Israelis intercepting terrorists with dirty bombs infiltrating Israel. All these threads have been pulled.
16 posted on 10/31/2001 6:49:42 PM PST by opbuzz
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To: maquiladora
There was a thread on this a couple days ago. Also in the last couple weeks there were similar threads of the Israelis intercepting terrorists with dirty bombs infiltrating Israel. All these threads have been pulled.
17 posted on 10/31/2001 6:50:11 PM PST by opbuzz
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To: Thud
"It depends on your definition of major. It takes energy to make energy. Unless the device is capable of creating a significant out of control chain reaction to flood the fissionable material with the right sort & pattern of neutrons (i.e., a fizzle), it would rely on the already existing radioactive energy of whatever stuff the weapon is packed with.It depends on your definition of major. It takes energy to make energy. Unless the device is capable of creating a significant out of control chain reaction to flood the fissionable material with the right sort & pattern of neutrons (i.e., a fizzle), it would rely on the already existing radioactive energy of whatever stuff the weapon is packed with."

My understanding, based on what evidently knowledgeable posters have said here (thanks, Dan Day :)), is that it's relatively easy to make enriched plutonium, and quite difficult to make enriched uranium. And, it's near-impossible to make a plutonium bomb, which requires super precise shaped implosion charges that are set off with exact timing, but, it's trivially easy to make a uranium bomb -- anyone with an old field artillery piece can saw off a piece of the barrel and he's 99% of the way there.

These two conflicting easy/difficult situations create two paradoxes, which are basically the only thing that's kept nuclear weapons out of the hands of various two-bit malcontents over the years.

However, that all goes out the window if there's a source of sufficiently refined black market uranium. Abdul or Jose or anyone else who gets his hands on some of that can basically stick it in the end of a sawed-off howitzer, and he's ready to rock and roll.

All in all, not a comforting thought.

19 posted on 11/01/2001 2:23:43 AM PST by Don Joe
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