Physics of anthrax is beyond al-Qaida, Sandia Labs expert says

Albuquerqque Tribune ^ | 10/26/01 | By Sue Major Holmes

[woofie]

I invented the Albuquerque Tribune

[woofie]

Al I ask from him is an apology ...granted he may be out cleaning sinks somewhere but I have yet to recieve one

[RebelDawg]

BS! If the group has access to any pharmeceutical plants and/or plants that produce common insecticides then yes they do have the capabilities. This is complete BS.

[Patria One]

"I invented the Albuquerque Tribune"

I KNEW it!

[Clive]

Why not do it inconspicuously, under the radar screen?

See reply 26 by Don Joe.

Don, if you are not going to use mutated anthrax, your field try will have to follow quickly on your trials before the boffins at Fort Detrick and Atlanta can come up with an effective defence and the government can put it in place.

OTOH if you already have a tested mutated anthrax and just need to test distribution modalities, hold your mutated strain in reserve and don't let the Fort Detrick boffins get an advanced look at it.

Testing a disease is not as tough as testing distribution, especially if you have no compunctions against risking lives.

[woofie]

BS! If the group has access to any pharmeceutical plants and/or plants that produce common insecticides then yes they do have the capabilities. This is complete BS.

I'll tell Dr Zelicoff you said so....in the meantime may I refer you to post #55

[aristeides]

There already is an effective remedy against all strains of anthrax: antitoxins. They are available for purchase in China, and the CDC could easily produce more, using the same technique it presently uses to produce the botulinum antitoxins that it stocks.

Read up on anthrax antitoxins on this thread: Doctor of cured anthrax patient: 'It was horrendous'.

[Harrison Bergeron]

"...when the source is the government, what do you believe and what dont you believe..."

Good question. Apparently, the government is currently in a first class swivet about what it should tell the American public (and the world) and what it should keep secret. But more ominous, is the story that quietly leaked on the Imus radio program on the morning of 25 October 2001. To wit:

In an on-air conversation with Don Imus, NBC reporter Andrea Mitchell spoke on the negative psychological and political impacts on U.S. citizens of learning that U.S. government covert operatives would, by necessity, need to participate in terrorist activities - meaning blowing things up and killing people on U.S. soil - in order to "obtain their bonafides" with terrorist organizations. That's not the kind of stuff some network reporter thinks up on her own. Obviously somebody who thinks about this stuff for a living had given her the tidbit of administration thinking on deep deep background. Shades of OKC.

[woofie]

Fyi

[aristeides]

Of course, the anthrax antitoxin that I suggest our government should stock up on would only work against anthrax. Could the terrorists use the same delivery means that they have now determined to be effective for a completely different disease, like smallpox?

[Harrison Bergeron]

See 68

[woofie]

Of course, the anthrax antitoxin that I suggest our government should stock up on would only work against anthrax. Could the terrorists use the same delivery means that they have now determined to be effective for a completely different disease, like smallpox?

God help us

[Vinomori]

I agree with you. All this devious "field trial" stuff gives them much more credit than they deserve. Too many LeCarre novels. These are not Smiley's people. These are crude, banal, animalistic, boxcutter-low life with the most basic and primitive Shoot My Wad mentality there is. There isn't a lot of cunning here, it's just that WE have been even more stupid than they are, with our Clintons grinning and selling weapons to the Chinese for campaign contributions and biting our lower lips, we are even more stupid than these banal animals. It's really a game of Weakest Link right now.Who will be more stupid. Who will even be fatally stupid?:::::"He loved animals. He was drinking little spores from a pond in the woods. It must be the Unabomber or right wing talk radio. Garden variety, anyway. Let's not look like techno-bullies. Let's learn from Rodney King."

[woofie]

The current attacks suggest "roomfuls of equipment, specialties in aerosol physics and lots of testing," Zelicoff said. "It's a hard, hard, hard thing to do and way beyond the capacity" of groups such as the al-Qaida terrorist network or militia organizations, he said.

It is beyond the capacity of Militia organizations

[Rocko]

"'Unless they bought it from Iraq or something,'"

Not "something". Not "bought". A gift.

[aristeides]

Just heard over radio: Crystal City Metro station (that's in Virginia, part of the D.C. Metro system) closed because of white substance found on platform.

[godhelpus]

a bioterrorism expert said the size of the anthrax was five microns, small enough to escape through the paper of the envelopes and treated to 'hang' in the air, thus easier to contaminate as many people as possible. Lovely.

[Clinton's a rapist]

Of course, the anthrax antitoxin that I suggest our government should stock up on would only work against anthrax. Could the terrorists use the same delivery means that they have now determined to be effective for a completely different disease, like smallpox?

Of course, anything is possible, now that the Islamists have crossed the biowar Rubicon. Nevertheless, what we have actual evidence of is anthrax. Despite all the nonsense that has been put out on this subject over the last few weeks, anthrax is a near-perfect weapon of mass destruction, in many ways superior to nukes. People need to start thinking about how 9/11 and the threat to release anthrax fit into a logical military plan, given the known ambitions of OBL and Saddam Hussein. Ask yourself, "What is Saddam's secret plan to win?" Everything makes sense when you start to think in those terms. The use of smallpox, or any highly infectious disease, makes a lot less sense in that context, IMO.

My guess is that the master plan goes like this:

1. Humble the United States in the eyes of the Islamicists by showing how a few determined men can take down it's greatest buildings, strike at the heart of its government and terrorize its population with box cutters and a handful of dust.
2. Stir up Islamicist anger against the United States by provoking it to attack the fundamentalist government of Afghanistan.
3. Bring on the overthrow of the Pakistani regime by exiled Taliban forces and local fundamentalists, emboldened and angered by (1) and (2).
4. Follow up the success of (3) with a fundamentalist coup in Saudi Arabia.
5. Meanwhile, deter the United States from attacking Iraq by presenting a credible threat to unleash WMD against the US civilian population.

If these goals can be attained, Saddam stands to lead a pan-Islamic Axis that has control over much of the world's oil supply and has the ability to threaten nuclear war in the Middle East. At that point, assuming the United States has finally gotten around to kicking out its Arab visitors and the biowar threat has receded, Saddam will still be able to threaten enough trouble to keep us out of the Middle East, and to allow him to consolidate and extend his power base by invading the remaining oil states (Kuwait, UAE, etc.).

The plan is audacious. So was 9/11. More or less, we are looking at a replay of the 1940s here, only in the Middle East. I suspect the end result will be the same, and that Islam will end up in the dustbin of history, but we may see death and destruction on a tremendous scale before that day arrives.

[deport]

I saw a program last night on the History Channel about biochem weapons. They mentioned it was "rumored" that supposedly Osama had been able purchased $50,000 of lab grade anthrax some time back. I can't remember where it was from but I don't think it was Iraq. Use plenty of salt with this info.

[LarryLied]

Sometimes the intelligence level here amazes me ...This is not BS ....You need a reading comprehension course

Apparently my comment was not clear enough for some. I was praising the freeper who, with humor, busted the nonsense that just because Bin Ladin might not have the technology to do this, he doesn't have the resouces to buy it.